Thanks everbody, Cody was going to bring me one to Salisbury next wekend at the state match but he won't get them in time to fix one and he is out. I talked with him twice on phone, very nice, took time to answer my questions, and most importantly to me, he did not act like I was bothering him or he had better things to do. So when I do buy, since they are all Ubertis, might as well buy where i'm treated with respect. Not going to shoot, don't have all my stuff yet, but I'm looking forward to Salisbury. Went to Piedmont Handgunners two weeks ago, met some nice folks, especially 3 Cut, he helped me a lot and even offered to loan me some guns. This "spirit of game" thing is alive and well in NC.....