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Been using up a bunch of Lyman Orange Magic lube that I’ve had for years.
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Mine is near identical to MTM.   I use a mix of olive oil and bee’s wax.  Usually in equal amounts or a little heavier on wax and last batch had a slug of jojoba oil as well.   Good stuff.   
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      Greetings!

   For smokeless, I tend towards Lymans ( "yellow" ) Alox. 'Somewhere', I have a big slab of an Alox Bullet Lube that Dad and I bought and divided; it's the traditional Caramel color, and was made by a now forgotten vendor that advertised in the back of Handloader (?) magazine. We could find no fault with it.
   For BP, I've had no complaints with either SPG, or Lyman's "Black Gold". I've also been using a Homemade BP Lube consisting of equal parts of Beeswax and Olive Oil; to this I've added three spoonfuls of Jojoba Bean Oil ( A near identical chemical analog of Spermwhale Oil... ).
   I've made a List of Homemade Bullet Lubes from old books and periodicals; I can add this if anyone's interested. I'm eager to see what everyone else is using!

           Be Well, ALL!

                    M.T.M.
                  5-09-24
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For black powder breechloaders, which is anything from Hall carbines to 45-60 and 45-70, about 4 parts beeswax to 1 part olive oil. More wax if it's hot, more oil if it's cold. For muzzle stuffers, patched roundball to CW muskets, 50/50 MCM lube and beeswax. 
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 :) Well Golly Gee Whiz  ;)

I don't cast my own.  Gave that up some 40 er 45 years ago.  So I buy stuff.  When I buy stuff, I mostly buy it "as cast" or the suppliers "whatever" crayon type lube or Coated.  As one who exclusively shoots APP, I am unconcerned with "lube."  APP creates its own lube and what little fouling there is, it is not cumulative.  The only fouling in the bore is shot to shot and each shot cleans out the prior spooge.  So, APP cares not about "what" lube 'cause you don't need any lube at all.  Makes it so so so much easier.
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Pistol caliber smokeless and APP loads I buy Hi-Tek coated bullets.

I cast my own 38/357 and 44-40 bullets for use with real BP. These I lube with SPG.

I cast all my rifle caliber bullets ( 38-55, 45-70, 56-50, and 30-06 )

Smokeless rifle caliber, I use LBT Blue

For rifle caliber loaded with real BP and subs,I use SPG
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I don't cast.  I used to buy regular smokeless bullets, melt out the lube, and relube with an old Lyman 45.  My formula varies but is basically beeswax and Crisco, with a little bore butter and Khepra's Foot Balm added.  I still use that on occasion when I need to lube something.

I finally started buying from Springield Slim until he stopped, so whatever lube that was.

Lately I'm buying from Missouri Bullet Co. who will lube any bullets with BP lube (I'm not sure what) on request.  They are not biglube bullets, but my longest rifle barrels are 20"

I have not noticed any leading, other than perhaps a tiny bit that I don't worry about.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: How did we get these "Calibers"?
« Last post by Abilene on Today at 12:51:42 PM »

But is that '61 barrel on your beautiful conversion a Percussion barrel or one intended for a conversion revolver?

Yes, that's what came on the conversion.  I only changed the grips to Navy

After you telling me that the Type IIs in .38 Special are actually on the "original" correctly sized frame I am seriously considering getting a pair to use as practice guns since they will feel and handle the same.  ...

Did I say that?  If I did it was earlier before I discovered that the Uberti Navy cylinders are in fact 0.1" larger than originals.  I have no idea how any of the frames compare to originals.  The frame does not have to be made larger for the Ubertis anyway, except for the recoil shield part so that the bore axis can be a little higher to allow for the larger cylinders

Your IMGUR photos do not show up for me on that last post.
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Please check one (or up to three above).  You can change your votes later if you want to.

  • Please tell us a bit more about your lube and journey to get there if there is one.
  • If you buy your bullets already lubed please tell us what the caster claims it is and whether or not it works well.
  • Do you get any leading in your bore, not Powder fouling, but real leading?  This is for both those that lube their own and those that by store bought.

~Mako
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The Darksider's Den / Re: How did we get these "Calibers"?
« Last post by Mako on Today at 11:20:24 AM »
No.  I did not say that at all.
Your question: "Are the frames for the Richard-Mason .44 and .45 Conversions the same as the .44 and .45 Richards Type 2 Frames?"
My answer: Yes - only the barrel assemblies differ.

Abilene,
Thank you, I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, I just wanted to make sure I understood.  That is what I have understood ever since I got my pair of Type IIs right after they came out.

But is that '61 barrel on your beautiful conversion a Percussion barrel or one intended for a conversion revolver?

After you telling me that the Type IIs in .38 Special are actually on the "original" correctly sized frame I am seriously considering getting a pair to use as practice guns since they will feel and handle the same.  The percussion revolvers are not a a disadvantage in a match since there is a lot of time between stages but it sure extends my range time when practicing.  In fact I believe that cartridge guns may catch on and even be here to stay (we will see...Wild Bill wasn't fully convinced).

Truth be told and as I have said in the past the .44 Army with a round ball is basically a .38 Spl in power.  Tom even has a nice 140gr Ø.358 BP bullet design that would be almost an analog to the .44 Army load with equivalent powder with a heavy crimped bullet. 

The lack of a crimp to build pressure upon firing is the one downside to the percussion revolvers.  You are limited to the fit between the bullet/ball and the chamber for your initial resistance.  I could chronograph the normal loads and duplicate the velocity with the cartridge. It wouldn't surprise if they wouldn't be equivalent with a "19gr" (17.5 by weight) I know will fit under that 140gr bullet  That bullet depth from the base to crimp groove is almost identical to the .38 Snakebite Grease Wagon I normally use.  But, just what I need is another mold, I just ordered that Snakebite analog design I submitted to him.  The original Big Lube Snakebite and the new one he's making actually weigh 160gr even though almost everyone refers to them as 158gr (even me on my loaded boxes).  That is in soft lead, even the 20:1 ratio or wheel weight lead bullets weigh over 159gr. The old fellow I was buying from a couple of years ago thought I wanted "hard cast" bullets since that is what everyone talks about.  He later cast  500 for me with a softer but not dead soft full Lead alloy. I lube my own with my homemade lube (I actually use my "Summer" formulation for bullets and use either my Summer or Winter lube based on outside temperatures.  Summer formulation is mainly adding more paraffin in place of reduced mutton tallow.




My normal .44 load spouts (marketed as 30gr) on my powder flasks throw about 28.5gr by weight (Goex 3F) of the same powder. I have a "25gr" and a "15gr" spout as well but I can't remember what they actually throw weightwise with Goex 3F.

I have tried the smaller "25gr spout" and couldn't tell much difference in impact point or recoil.  I just went back to the "30gr spouts"  because the that "30gr" load is actually very inefficient and spews a LOT of burning powder out of the muzzle making a spectacular fireball and stream of fire towards the target.  If you're gonna go big, go big!  However, sometimes on a humid windless morning I have resorted to 25gr (probably 23 by weight) because the targets are totally obscured by the 2nd or third shot.  I will admit I have wimped out after a couple of stages of shooting blind and reduced my pistola loads to what most mortals shoot.  I might add I use homemade greased Wads (homemade and thoroughly soaked in Mutton Tallow/Bees Wax/Paraffin Lube) between the ball and powder for all percussion loads whether .44 or .36 caliber.

Lubed wads on left:


~Mako
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