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Special Interests - Groups & Societies => Uberti, Pietta and other SAA Clones => Topic started by: russ1943 on June 22, 2019, 12:06:15 PM
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Does anyone know if Standard's SAA a 2nd generation Colt specs or a 3rd generation Colt specs
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Have heard some say Uberti specs. ??
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Until someone takes apart their $2000 clone and measures it, it is hard to say since Standard is playing mute and maintaining that they re-invented the most perfect, most precision, most bestest SAA from whole cloth all by themselves with no outside help, using magic pistol pixie dust.
However, since we do know they are ?just down the street? from the now defunct USFA joint, and boots on the ground have reported that ?someone? picked up the leased CNC gear, and I highly doubt that the extradorniarily valuable commodity of CNC programs were just deleted ( in the computer world these are called Intellectual Properties and are given value and auctioned off during liquidation and or court proceedings ) .... well one can speculate!
And inspired sources have related that before Uberti was swallowed by Beretta they had been working hand in hand with USFA ... which almost certainly included sharing certain software ....
Sooooo , with no real data ! My WAG and inclination is to agree with Abilene.
Unfortunately I don?t have 2k to blow on a Sunday Barbecue Pistol that is probably just a better fitted Ubsetis so I will probably never know....
Hope this helps
And if it doesn?t at least I am contributing to stirring up controversy
So as to keep Bunk, Coffin, etc all from dying of boredom...
Yhs
Prof pot stirrer
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They may indeed be using the USFA CNC machines and CAD programming, but their materials are superior with the very Colt-like 4 hammer clicks and the hardened firing pin shield not found on Ubertis. There is a Youtube video where the gun is broken down to its components and found to be better than Colt and the Italian clones. It is more 1st generation than 2nd generation in its format and nothing like a 3rd gen Colt. The big question has always been, is it worth 4-5 times the cost for say a 35% increase in quality. That is a personal decision that the buyer needs to make. Personally, they remind me of USFAs.
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My Good Gentleman
Thanks very much , your info is far superior to my WAG.
Hopefully this thread can stir up some interest and we can get more replies to entertain everyone....
Yhs
Prof Marvel
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What I seen of the Standard on the net and reviews, it seems like a pretty nice copy of a gun made in 1916...
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Well. Well well well. Expert .... An Ex is a "has been" and a "Spert" merely a "Drip Under Pressure".
So ...... I'll wade in. I have had access to a "Standard Manufacturing" example of the ubiquitous SAA. It is a Replicant. It is NOT a Clone. In dimensions is closer to a Uberti/USFA than it is to an actual Colt. I Uberti Cylinder is a drop in with minor fitting, and the USFA Lock Works would be right at home. My Opine from a Gunplumber's point of view. Like USFA, the Standard is VERY well made. It is not however, worth the price. It is an 11 or 12 hundred dollar gun .... maybe.
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Well...if the Standard Single Action is a $1200 gun, the 3rd Generation Colt isn't worth a single dollar more than a Uberti, and they must be over priced too!
YMMV,
Dave
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Just wondering since both my USFA s/n 25XXX, and 23XXX are 2nd generation Colt Spcs, at least for the cylinder and hand, since a 2nd generation Colt cylinder is a drop in perfect timing. I got Uberti cylinder from Numrich which was suppose to fit and it wouldn't even fit into the frame window. I would assume the last USFAs made would be what Standard is using as Spcs, if they bought USFA CAD equipment. But who knows? Thanks for the responses.
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Well...if the Standard Single Action is a $1200 gun, the 3rd Generation Colt isn't worth a single dollar more than a Uberti, and they must be over priced too!
YMMV,
Dave
I agree 100%,,,after looking at a few 3gen Colt SAA I would say Uberti is way ahead of Colt in the fitting department.
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Well...if the Standard Single Action is a $1200 gun, the 3rd Generation Colt isn't worth a single dollar more than a Uberti, and they must be over priced too!
YMMV,
Dave
100% truth and I will post the video that has the direct Standard, USFA. Colt and Uberti comparison and it reflects the points you made.
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Here is where the myths stop and the truth comes out when comparing USFA, Standard, Colt and Uberti. A long video but well worth it with no details left out. One spoiler, 3rd generation Colt SAAs are not the best option or the best quality. Uberti is also better than the nay sayers think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFN2S5NL15c&t=3263s
Enjoy.
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From the video above it looks like USFA all USA made is the best out of the bunch.
Thanks for the video Virginia Gentlemen
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This morning Dutch Van Horn showed me his 7 1/2" .45 just bought for $2K. He's not sure if he will shoot it or not. I handled it briefly and was impressed.
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WHAT!!!! Why on earth buy a New Toy and then not play with it!! At's as bad as a parent buying a TONKA truck and then packing it away inna closet to "keep it nice" still in its package. No WAY!!
I AM NOT OPINIONATED!! So There ;D
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OD3 another EXECLLENT video
No agenda , just good solid visual reporting. thumbs up !
I have to say, I feel a gun is to be shot used and enjoyed by its owner, that's why I bought it (them)
I can respect the concept of saving one for posterity, But I'm a steward rather then curator.
My point is I'm caring for and using my guns, not saving them for future heirs or profiteers...
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I've never bought a gun as an investment, though I can understand a desire to do that. My small collection of Colt snakes were bought to shoot and shot a lot but luckily became great investments anyway! Too bad I didn't get into shooting back when SAA's, Winchesters, etc. were still inexpensive. The friend that showed me his Standard may well shoot it. I don't know what other guns he may own, but he shoots engraved nickled ivoried Colts and engraved nickled '73, nickled '97. So he can afford nice toys. :)
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The video shows the factual non mythical facts about each gun. What impressed me was that the Uberti for what you pay for it is still a very good gun, but the USFA and Standard are indeed a big cut above and that the Colt in the 3rd generation is to me at least a marketing scheme that many fall into.
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The video shows the factual non mythical facts about each gun. What impressed me was that the Uberti for what you pay for it is still a very good gun, but the USFA and Standard are indeed a big cut above and that the Colt in the 3rd generation is to me at least a marketing scheme that many fall into.
To be fair, it is pointed out the Colt tested is of 1983 vintage.....
when the UAW was in strike mode ?.not only did Colt suffer , but auto industry also had quality control , strike issues.
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To be fair, it is pointed out the Colt tested is of 1983 vintage.....
when the UAW was in strike mode ?.not only did Colt suffer , but auto industry also had quality control , strike issues.
True and I agree it is a factor. Colt has cleaned its act up but they only did that when the tuned imports and USFA started putting them to shame in the quality department. I wouldn't say Colt is that much better....for the money than the Uberti, but when compared to USFA and Standard it falls behind in quality AND authenticity to the original design.
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When I noticed how long the video is, I put off watching it until I had more time and could pay attention. I finally watched it last night. Really great info, some stuff I knew and a lot of details new to me. Thanks for posting that, Virginia Gentleman.
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When I noticed how long the video is, I put off watching it until I had more time and could pay attention. I finally watched it last night. Really great info, some stuff I knew and a lot of details new to me. Thanks for posting that, Virginia Gentleman.
Glad you enjoyed it and you are welcome sir.
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My Good Gentleman
I am remiss in forgetting to thank you also! That video is several cuts above most u-toobs
in quality factual content. Much to be learned there, e?en tho I am prejudiced against the genre.
I shall be taking written notes from it and I must remember to be sure to ascribe credit to the author...
director... video maker.
Thank You
Prof Marvel
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My Good Gentleman
I am remiss in forgetting to thank you also! That video is several cuts above most u-toobs
in quality factual content. Much to be learned there, e?en tho I am prejudiced against the genre.
I shall be taking written notes from it and I must remember to be sure to ascribe credit to the author...
director... video maker.
Thank You
Prof Marvel
That would be our own OD3 his efforts in video on our behalf ( namely the HRA Henry , the Murukku/Winchester 73 and this 4 SSA presentation are nothing short of fine information and his skill with a screwdriver , video camera and as presenter have made me a fan of his work.
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Good video. Lots of info.
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I don't believe that washer under the mainspring is factory Uberti. My Cimarrons do not have it.
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No, not factory. It's a tuning "device". Most folks use a flat washer rather than a split washer. Sometimes you can get the mainspring tension you want with the washer (depending on all the other work done) alone or if a little less is called for, minor grinding on the main itself is better than grinding more off the main. Probably not as big a factor on mains, but I've seen combination springs broken because of a split washer (rather than a solid) used. It presents a stress point. If a split washer is all you have, tweak it so there's no "spring" to it.
Mike
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Since we have the topic of Standared SAA up Im reposting my experience to help potential buyers know what they may deal with.
I?ve had a 6-month long experience with Standard Firearms. First I watched the video reviews and decided to go for it. I was looking for another USFA but decided Standard would fit what I wanted. A USA made gun with all USA parts made of high quality. I ordered a 4 ? normal gun with no enhancements. I even talked a Gun Shop into buying some to resale.
When mine came in it had two issues. One I immediately noticed was that the Case Coloring was not uniform in Brightness. To get the issues remedied I called Standard and was advised to email my concerns with pictures. The girls that answer the phones are really nice; however, they don?t have much authority and have to forward emails to the ?shop?. I emailed with pictures. At first, they claimed to not see what I was concerned about. Eventually they sent a call tag: once they received the gun, they saw the problem. As it turns out, the gun was missing some clear coat on a section of the frame and loading gate. They did fix that, and it looks good.
Now, at the same time I noticed a dark spot inside the barrel on the muzzle end. I asked Standard to examine that as well as the Case Coloring. First, they said they didn?t see anything and emailed me pictures of the barrel saying it wasn?t there; however, it was clearly visible in the pictures they sent. I pushed the issue further and was then told that the area was from their bluing process and that sometimes blue will get into that part of the barrel. To fix this they decided to clean the barrel/ re-polish it. They resent the gun back to me and at first glance it looked nice; however, that didn?t last long.
I took the gun to my gunsmith and had the bore measured. As it turns out the bore measured .443 on the muzzle end for about ?? deep where it was dark. The rest of the barrel measured .441. To add to the misery, the grips where now chipped, probably from being removed. So, I contacted the Standard and again. They re-sent a call tag which I do appreciate. This time they replaced the barrel and refinished the grips. They sent it back to me.
After receiving the gun back, the metal looks good. However, now the grips are not Proud and even low in a couple of areas. So, I?ve been back in contact with them. I?ve been told to contact to owner who is not responding from 3 Emails I?ve sent.
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Deja Vu all over again :-\ haven't I read this post elsewhere and some weeks ago ...like August 20, 2019 ?
Sorry for your luck .... $2000 out of pocket , and they are jerking you around
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Yep. Remember this tale of woe from a while back. A shame actually. Lay out 2 grand plus and wind up with a "parts gun" and be yanked around in the process is ludicrous.
I normally don't really like unloading on a manufacturer on an open forum such as this one. Vengeance is best kept aside but I can certainly make an exception for this goat rope. Standard could have put the gun in the "Blems Bin" and sent you a brandy new gun.
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Major and Coffinmaker. Its not been friendly at all. The reason I reposted is that the moderator removed it saying my post wasn't relevant to USFA. My purpose is to just state facts and not run them down. USFA owners are one of the most likely people to buy a high quality piece. Members here should know. Plus a previous post on the same thread says others have had cosmetic issues also.