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Best 12Ga Shell for SASS matches
« on: January 09, 2017, 12:07:13 PM »
Ok,

I am sure this has been asked before somewhere and I may be opening up a can of worms .....

I am looking to do some bulk purchasing of shotgun shells for hitting those plates ....

Suggestions?

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Re: Best 12Ga Shell for SASS matches
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2017, 01:09:47 PM »
Most shoots I go to, the guys shooting factory shotshells are usually shooting Winchester AA "Low Noise, Low Recoil" shells  The part number is AA12FL8.  They used to be called Featherlights with a yellow feather on the box, but after redesigning the boxes there is no more feather, although there is still a feather printed on shell itself.

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Re: Best 12Ga Shell for SASS matches
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2017, 02:52:05 PM »
+1 on the Win AA Low Noise, Low recoil comment.  I use these shells for my BP loads, so hope folks keep with this trend!
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Re: Best 12Ga Shell for SASS matches
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Re: Best 12Ga Shell for SASS matches
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2017, 07:22:28 PM »
Good stuff !!

Thank you. I am a BIG black powder fan and thought about shooting up several factory loads and then saving the shells to reload in black ... I guess that is the way to go ...

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Re: Best 12Ga Shell for SASS matches
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2017, 09:50:27 PM »
Nah.  You gonna shoot BP out of an 1878, do it right.  ALL BRASS hulls.  Absolutely the Bizzz.

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Re: Best 12Ga Shell for SASS matches
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2017, 06:46:09 PM »
If anyone is interested .... I found this youtube video today that I thought was pretty cool.

Reloading Black Powder Shotgun Shells without Dies


Now I am going to have to get some brass shells and load some up.  I will need to get some shot and wads ... but I can make the rest based on what  I have in the garage ...

I will let you know how it works

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Re: Best 12Ga Shell for SASS matches
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2017, 11:53:15 PM »
Here is as long and rambling post from THE DARK ARTS. In it there is much info about metallic shotshell loading. No videos that I recall, but browse around;

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,9733.0.html

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Re: Best 12Ga Shell for SASS matches
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2017, 07:04:59 PM »
Hammering on a live primer is, in my opinion, not a real great idea. That is how primers work by being hit. 
Not long ago I had two primers pop in my MEC press. Why I really don't know it is the first time in the thousands of shot shells I have loaded. The primer punch was clean and slick no unusual force was applied just a loud bang...twice. perhaps a couple of extra sensitive primers I really do not know. They were Cheddite a brand I have used a lot so go figure.
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Re: Best 12Ga Shell for SASS matches
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2017, 07:58:21 PM »
Hargrave:  I clicked on the link you provided, and was surprised and delighted to see that the author of the video is none other than our very own Eddie Blackwater of the Chilako Vigilance Committee here in Prince George, British Columbia.

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Re: Best 12Ga Shell for SASS matches
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2017, 08:01:47 PM »
I use Winchester AA hulls.  They take a beating but keep on ticking. 

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Re: Best 12Ga Shell for SASS matches
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2017, 01:00:31 PM »
Nah.  You gonna shoot BP out of an 1878, do it right.  ALL BRASS hulls.  Absolutely the Bizzz.

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Re: Best 12Ga Shell for SASS matches
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2017, 09:10:24 PM »
I buy the Remington STS shotshells for dove season and then use the hulls for my black powder reloads in matches.  They are far superior to the new improved  ::) AA hulls.  I have found that the AA's will stick in the chambers while the Remington hulls fly out.  They also crimp better in my MEC jr.
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Re: Best 12Ga Shell for SASS matches
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2017, 10:17:58 PM »
The gold NITRO 27 shells are the same as STS but look like brass. I'm not sure they are still available?
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Re: Best 12Ga Shell for SASS matches
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2017, 02:05:33 PM »
First thing is what are you shooting them in? I've always heard that ribbed shells are sticky in a double but if they're for a 97 no problem. In my opinion, for regular smokeless powder, clays-red dot etc, WW AAs are the easiest to reload, they are slick and reload nicely. As far as using black I can't tell you which is the best hull or wad. Plastic wads and black powder will coat your bores with nasty, don't ask me how I know. Good luck. Have fun. Stay safe.
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Re: Best 12Ga Shell for SASS matches
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2017, 11:33:56 AM »
If you cut hulls down to 2-1/2" and do a roll crimp, the range pickup that are left behind because the star crimp region is getting to worn out work well and are always free.   

Shoot them once and toss them.

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Re: Best 12Ga Shell for SASS matches
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2017, 04:10:23 PM »
If you cut hulls down to 2-1/2" and do a roll crimp, the range pickup that are left behind because the star crimp region is getting to worn out work well and are always free.   

Shoot them once and toss them.

I do that. After the roll crimp I run them through the final stage of my MEC Grabber to do the slight taper at the crimp.

The final answer is to use the shell that shucks out  the easiest.
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Re: Best 12Ga Shell for SASS matches
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2017, 10:53:22 PM »
Another vote for the Remington STS.  They're what the AA used to be.
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Re: Best 12Ga Shell for SASS matches
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2017, 04:43:35 AM »
First thing is what are you shooting them in? I've always heard that ribbed shells are sticky in a double but if they're for a 97 no problem. In my opinion, for regular smokeless powder, clays-red dot etc, WW AAs are the easiest to reload, they are slick and reload nicely. As far as using black I can't tell you which is the best hull or wad. Plastic wads and black powder will coat your bores with nasty, don't ask me how I know. Good luck. Have fun. Stay safe.
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Re: Best 12Ga Shell for SASS matches
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2017, 09:39:34 AM »
Howdy
STS from Remington and I use the Nitro 27 gold hulls for my Vintage Hunting load .

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Re: Best 12Ga Shell for SASS matches
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2017, 10:11:27 AM »
I have found that ALL R-P products seem to work equally well. STS and Nitro 27 are top of the line, and the older Blue Peters shells are about the same. "Gun Club" of all vintages work almost as well, and that is what I use for "gunpowder."

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