Yep, they don't fit my hands like the Colt Open tops. Same with the Smith and Wessons. Love the top break but don't shoot them worth squat! May put it in the classifieds. SASS wire classifieds can be a pain. Last time I sold a BP revolver with a Kirst there, all the know it alls jumped my @ss saying I could not sell them together, even though the wholesalers do....