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Shotguns / Re: Are '87's having a moment?
« Last post by RRio on Today at 03:42:21 PM »
:)  Reverend  ;)

I must agree we are on basically the same page.  Almost.  The "Go Fast" '87 guys and gals, whom have invested in the appropriate action work and the fabled "Drop Two" mod are able to demonstrate some real speed.  Doesn't change the fact, an '87 just ain't a Hammer Double.  SO:

I am a firm believer, it matters NOT how well or fast you shoot, so long as you look REALLY REALLY good doing it.  It's a GAME and STYLE matters you betcha!!

Where I shoot, we can load 87's to the max the way they were supposed to be shot. The same with 97's. No penalty for not shooting a SxS.
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I like the side by side videos, good way to show comparison.
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Howdy Popcorn,
Nice range.  I keep forgetting that y'all have to shut down for the winter.  I guess that's a good time to get a year's worth of reloading done!

Your "Open Range" category is called Sharpshooter around these parts.  Several clubs offer it, with the rifle targets ranging from around 15-20 yards at a club with a rear berm to 50-ish yards or more at the clubs that use those targets for Cody Dixon (including Plum Creek where you shot recently).  It is a nice alternative for folks that want a little more accuracy challenge.
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The Longbranch / Re: The "Card Game"
« Last post by Major E A Sterner on Today at 12:47:00 PM »
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As we announced on March 19th, we are incorporating a long-range option into our regular cowboy May match.  Our regular cowboy shooters will shoot the 6-stage match at our standard target distance of about 12’ for pistols and 30’ for rifles.  However, for those wanting the extra challenge of shooting a longer-range match, we’ve added a third set of targets which will allow them to shoot pistols at targets set at about 30’ and Rifle targets set to about 60’ or so. 
We’ve even created a new cowboy category for those that want to shoot the distant targets – We’re calling this category Open Range.  We set up a simple 3 target stage a few days ago for a test run,
5 shooters participated in the test run.  Each shot the same stage twice – once using our standard target distances and then again at our longer-range distances.  This is what we saw.
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CAS City Classifieds / Re: ISO Uberti 1873 rifle toggles
« Last post by Boggus Deal on Today at 11:51:40 AM »
I found my stash of links and toggles.
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Go a bit further back and guerillas, I do not really remember reading much about carbines with them.  I read shotguns, then pistols, lots and lots of pistols.   
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Tall Tales / Re: April 1, Fooling around making the coffee & toast
« Last post by Mogorilla on Today at 11:13:17 AM »
Hi Major,
Yes, cheddar or jack was added and they were fried.  Although, spraying them with non stick spray and cooking in a hot (425) oven does really well too.   

We put all kinds of things in them, taco meat/cheese, refried beans/cheese, peanut butter, chocolate.   Also it was in the era of tinned biscuits, 10 rolls for $1.   We did a lot with those too.   Throw in Jiffy cornbread and that was our basic diet, with more carbohydrates coming from beer.   

Funny, I switched to an anti-inflammatory diet 7 weeks ago.   About 3 weeks ago it was like the clock was turned back 30 years.   And have lost 15 lbs to boot.  As good as all of the above sound, I am happily resisting temptation to go purchase any of that.   
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The Army went to a scabbard for a couple of reasons.  The old carbine sling and socket did absolutely nothing to protect the piece, and it also pretty much ensured the carbine stock would be broken and the trooper injured if he was thrown while wearing it.  Personally, me being on a horse, especially if I tried to fire a firearm while there, would be extremely bad for both me and the horse!
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The saddle ring was a military thing, back when it was used in conjunction with a sling across the body.

That way, the trooper could fire the single round - drop the piece and yet retain it to reload to try again.

The Cavalry actually practiced this and trained for it - as they did with trained mounts - that's something civilians generally did not do.

Also - Cavalry fought dismounted - using a horse handler to handle the reins during the action - they fully understood that a standing or kneeling man could probably actually hit his target without the pitching and movement of a horse.

Weapon retention was a valuable idea - no doubt leading to the inclusion of saddle rings on carbines later in time, but there were no corresponding slings - largely because the weapon now used a scabbard, instead of the loop of the saddle's equipment that held the barrel in one place.

The military discontinued used of the ring around 1896, with the first of the Krag carbines - it stayed on civilian carbines to this day.

Unless the horse has been trained to ignore gunfire, his appreciation of hearing the round being fired is less than optimal, so if you're going to take that shot - better get screwed down...

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