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Title: October 26th 1881
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on October 26, 2018, 08:30:55 PM
Did anyone else watch the movie "Tombstone" today?

CC Griff
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: Major 2 on October 27, 2018, 12:44:10 AM
no,  but I did a few days ago.... :)
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on October 27, 2018, 01:39:54 AM
I had a day off, so I watched "Tombstone", a few key scenes from Costner's "Wyatt Earp" AND, the kind of overly dramatic, but fairly accurate 1970's documentary hosted by Lorne Greene.  It was a rainy day here, so it was kind of fun to make a day of it.

CC Griff
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: Major 2 on October 27, 2018, 06:09:44 AM
This from IMDB

" Kevin Costner was originally involved with Tombstone (1993), another film about Wyatt Earp, written by Kevin Jarre. However, Costner disagreed with Jarre over the focus of the film (he believed that the emphasis should have been on Wyatt Earp rather than the many characters in Jarre's script) and left the project, eventually teaming up with Lawrence Kasdan to produce his own Wyatt Earp project. Costner then used his then-considerable clout to convince most of the major studios to refuse to distribute the competing film, which affected casting on the rival project. As it turns out, the rival film was considerably more successful. "


Almost, would have been just the one version, I for one was glad for the two....Tombstone heads above Wyatt Earp though 
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: Professor Marvel on October 27, 2018, 02:58:34 PM
This from IMDB

" Kevin Costner was originally involved with Tombstone (1993), another film about Wyatt Earp, written by Kevin Jarre. However, Costner disagreed with Jarre over the focus of the film (he believed that the emphasis should have been on Wyatt Earp rather than the many characters in Jarre's script) and left the project, eventually teaming up with Lawrence Kasdan to produce his own Wyatt Earp project. Costner then used his then-considerable clout to convince most of the major studios to refuse to distribute the competing film, which affected casting on the rival project. As it turns out, the rival film was considerably more successful. "


Almost, would have been just the one version, I for one was glad for the two....Tombstone heads above Wyatt Earp though 

Oh My Yes! Tombstone is much better, and isn't dragged out as long.

don't you just hate self-important louts that try to use their money and percieved "clout" to try to destroy the efforts of others?

I believe the Chinese have a special Hell for those folks (amongst the many thousands they have tabulated)

Diyu is a purgatory that serves to punish and renew spirits in preparation for reincarnation
The Jade Emperor put Yama in charge of overseeing the affairs of Diyu.
There are 12,800 hells located under the earth – eight dark hells, eight cold hells and 84,000 miscellaneous hells
located at the edge of the universe.


yhs
prof marbels
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: Mogorilla on October 28, 2018, 12:43:21 PM
“The Chinese have many Hells Professor Marvel”
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on October 28, 2018, 06:11:40 PM
I usta have many marbles.
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: Oregon Bill on November 17, 2018, 09:35:16 AM
I had the privilege of visiting Wyatt Earp's grave in Colma, CA, a few years ago.
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on November 17, 2018, 06:33:27 PM
Virgil's is down the road from me in Portland.  I keep meaning to stop by, but I haven't done it yet.

CC Griff
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: Tsalagidave on December 24, 2018, 12:56:00 AM
I was in Tombstone last weekend.  Paid my respects at the graves for Clantons,McLaurys, and Marshal Fred White.
As commercialized as it gets, the place is still well worth the visit.

-Dave
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: Cliff Fendley on December 24, 2018, 11:18:54 AM
This from IMDB

" Kevin Costner was originally involved with Tombstone (1993), another film about Wyatt Earp, written by Kevin Jarre. However, Costner disagreed with Jarre over the focus of the film (he believed that the emphasis should have been on Wyatt Earp rather than the many characters in Jarre's script) and left the project, eventually teaming up with Lawrence Kasdan to produce his own Wyatt Earp project. Costner then used his then-considerable clout to convince most of the major studios to refuse to distribute the competing film, which affected casting on the rival project. As it turns out, the rival film was considerably more successful. "


Almost, would have been just the one version, I for one was glad for the two....Tombstone heads above Wyatt Earp though 

Wow to think Tombstone could have been ruined by Costner is scary.
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: Trailrider on December 24, 2018, 11:28:55 AM
"Boot hill, boot hill, so cold, so still, they lay side-by-side, the killers that died in the gunfight at OK Corral."  Let's hear it for "Tombstone", the movie!
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: RRio on August 27, 2019, 08:46:44 PM
I was in Tombstone last weekend.  Paid my respects at the graves for Clantons,McLaurys, and Marshal Fred White.
As commercialized as it gets, the place is still well worth the visit.

-Dave

Yep !  Been there, done that also. Plan on going to Mattie's grave this fall.
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on October 26, 2019, 02:12:37 PM
It's October 26th again--the date of the Fremont Street Fight (near the OK Corral).

This past March, I finally stopped by Virgil Earp's grave in Portland.  Here's the marker.  It's hard to read, even in person, but under the dates it says, "God will take care of me."  Below that on the right, it appears to say, "Co. C", then something I can't read.  Per Don Chaput's biography, Virgil served with Company C of the 83rd Regiment of the Illinois Volunteer Infantry.  I'm sure that the unreadable markings on the stone indicate that.

CC Griff
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: Rye Miles on October 27, 2019, 08:15:31 AM
Wow to think Tombstone could have been ruined by Costner is scary.

Wow, you're so right! Costner's Wyatt Earp was okay but Tombstone was awesome! My favorite western of all time! 8)
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: Crow Choker on October 27, 2019, 05:27:06 PM
I disagree, I thought Costner's Wyatt Earp was a better movie vs Tombstone, which was a good movie, but had reservations. Contrary to what a lot of people say, I like Costner's western's. Not a big fan of Kurt Russel, think he over acts, as did Val Kilmer as Doc Holiday. Good actors, but not my favorite's.
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: treebeard on October 28, 2019, 09:52:59 PM
Val Kilmer?s version of Doc Holiday was entertaining but Dennis Quaid?s portrayal was far more realistic according to what has been written about Doc. Quaid?s performance was lost in the lackluster success of the Costner film.
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on October 28, 2019, 10:09:23 PM
Val Kilmer?s version of Doc Holiday was entertaining but Dennis Quaid?s portrayal was far more realistic according to what has been written about Doc. Quaid?s performance was lost in the lackluster success of the Costner film.

I agree. Quaid's Doc stole the show. Actually, both Doc's were the best part of those movies. They certainly are the most quotable...  Quaid's Doc said something close to, "My mother told me never to put off until tomorrow people you should kill today." That's one of my favorites.

CC Griff
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: DB Books on April 24, 2020, 03:19:02 PM
I like the story of how a young John Wayne met an old Wyatt Earp at his home in SoCal in 1929. Wyatt was trying to get early Hollywood to make a movie of his life and the OK Corral the way it actually went. How it felt to him for so many remorseful years. JW paid attention to the slow drawl, the deliberately chosen, sparse words Wyatt spoke with. This became the mode of speech The Duke used that we're all familiar with.
  So, in a sense, a little piece of Wyatt Earp lived on for us to experience in the way somewhat like Wyatt envisioned. Here's a pic of him in his SoCal home about 1929 when JW had several meetings with him about cowboys, Hollywood, and the like.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/esxBND.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnesxBNDj)
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: Oldgold on May 01, 2020, 07:06:54 PM
I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when John Wayne visited Wyatt Earp. I’ve heard that same story about the Duke patterning his acting persona after Earp.
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: DB Books on May 04, 2020, 04:44:49 PM
Man it would've been great to see & hear how Wyatt actually spoke! Did he gesticulate while speaking? Or did he just tell it like it was in a few, carefully chosen words? We may never know?...
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on October 26, 2020, 10:41:53 AM
Here we are again, folks. Been a little bit going on since last year, huh?

Griff
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: LongWalker on October 26, 2020, 02:42:03 PM
Been watching the date and contemplating doing some reading on Earp's life.  Any recommendations on a reasonably-objective biography?

Jim
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on October 26, 2020, 03:02:50 PM
I consider Casey Tefertiller's biography to be the standard against which all others are judged. There has been some more recent research and discoveries, but he gives a great overview in my opinion. There are certainly other options out there, but this is a great place to start.

https://www.amazon.com/Wyatt-Earp-Life-Behind-Legend/dp/0471283622  (https://www.amazon.com/Wyatt-Earp-Life-Behind-Legend/dp/0471283622)
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: LongWalker on October 26, 2020, 03:40:52 PM
Thanks!  got it added to the Amazon cart for my next order.  There are a lot of individuals and events I'm curious about; I'm trying satisfy my curiousity without getting "too far" into the questions.  (Too busy puzzling my way through questions I already got too far into!)

Jim
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on October 26, 2020, 09:02:40 PM
I think that I posted this before, but this kind of hokey docu-drama presents an actually pretty accurate story regarding the famous gunfight near the OK Corral. I think that it's worth watching, although it's unintentionally funny sometimes...

https://youtu.be/tuAh3delv2k  (https://youtu.be/tuAh3delv2k)
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: Abilene on October 26, 2020, 10:32:48 PM
Thanks Griff, I jumped forward to the shootout part.  Very un-hollywood-like! 
Title: Re: October 26th 1881
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on October 27, 2020, 12:09:13 AM
Thanks Griff, I jumped forward to the shootout part.  Very un-hollywood-like!

I like the way that they show it in real time, then they break it down to give the details.