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Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
hatman:
--- Quote from: ndnchf on July 06, 2015, 12:13:50 PM ---Hatman _ I hate to bust your bubble but I don't think that Lee 450gr bullet will work well in a '76. That is a fine bullet for the .50-70, I use it myself. But the 50-95 is an express round with a rate of twist designed for the lighter 300-375gr bullets. That 450 bullet is not likely to stabilize in a '76. Plus its extra length will reduce powder capacity and could cause overall length issues. Your new friend may be an experienced reloader, but if he does not have real first hand experience with a '76, he may be leading you down the wrong trail. I recommend you slug your bore first and find out the groove size. Then look for bullets under 375gr that are around .001" over groove size. Use the search function to search this forum for .50-95 loads and experience from others who have been there. These rifles are capable of good accuracy, but you have to feed them a proper diet.
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Thank you sir.
I sent your post to him and just got off the phone. We'll be going with the smaller size (300 or 350 most likely).
I had a feeling this might be the case so I really appreciate your input confirming my concern.
Compared to you guys, I'm relatively new to all this and a total amateur. I've made a few mistakes along the way with a doozie being that I purchased 600 rounds of the BA ammo before I even shot the gun. :( Oh well, at least I have a lot of brass my friend can reload.
hatman:
--- Quote from: Waddie Bill on July 06, 2015, 12:46:39 PM ---
See my posting of 1/26/15 under the Topic "Uberti Short Rifle" (1/24/15)
My loads are listed there.
Waddie Bill
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Thanks Bill.
I forwarded your info as well. Very much appreciated.
ndnchf:
Hatman - a lot of folks have had very good luck with that Lee 515-450 mold by machining the base to remove the last groove. This brings the weight down to about 350gr. It's popular with the Spencer shooters (I'm one of those guys too). In fact most of the bullets that work well for the 56-50 Spencer will be good for the. 50-95 too. You might want to peruse the Spencer forum for bullet suggestions. The Lyman 515139 is a popular choice also.
I also suspect that the BA ammunition has undersized bullets for your rifle. Do you know your groove size? My uberti is. 513" but they can vary a bit.
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hatman:
--- Quote from: ndnchf on July 06, 2015, 08:23:35 PM ---Hatman - a lot of folks have had very good luck with that Lee 515-450 mold by machining the base to remove the last groove. This brings the weight down to about 350gr. It's popular with the Spencer shooters (I'm one of those guys too). In fact most of the bullets that work well for the 56-50 Spencer will be good for the. 50-95 too. You might want to peruse the Spencer forum for bullet suggestions. The Lyman 515139 is a popular choice also.
I also suspect that the BA ammunition has undersized bullets for your rifle. Do you know your groove size? My uberti is. 513" but they can vary a bit.
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I don't know if my friend has the equipment to remove that base. (Keep in mind I'm a total moron regarding reloading).
I don't know the groove size but my friend said we could slug the bore although he did seem to poo poo the need to do so.
Is there a reason to think that my 2012 '76 is other than .513 as is yours or varies enough to require more than a .515 mould?
I really appreciate your wisdom. I would like this '76 to be a good shooter, but I have to admit sometimes I just pull it out of the safe, stare at it, and smile. :)
ndnchf:
Unfortunately, groove size varies more than you'd expect. Yours may be. 513" but it could vary a couple thousandths. It only takes a few minutes to slug the bore. Then you know exactly what you are working with. Conventional wisdom is that your bullet diameter should be . 001" - .002" larger than groove size. What is the advertised diameter of the BA ammunition you have?
There has been a number of good discussions on this subject on the Cast Boolits forum, Leverguns sub-forum too. One thing I've picked up is that the original factory loadings changed over the years. At one point they went from using 2F to 3F black powder. This seems contrary to conventional wisdom. But as mentioned, this is an express cartridge. 3F gives higher velocities, but at a slightly higher pressure. The '76 is plenty strong to handle it. Some fellows report excellent accuracy with 3F. I loaded some up, but haven't been to the range to try it yet.
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