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Offline Dave T

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Gemmer Modified Rifles
« on: October 04, 2021, 01:02:42 PM »
Years ago (1980s) I had a "Gemmer Sharps" in 45-70 chambering.  I liked the gun but had endless problems with the springs in the action breaking.  This was back in the days when the Italian repro gun makers hadn't quite mastered spring tempering.  Gave it up when I got an original Rolling Block to restore.

Anyway, I've always like the "Gemmer" look to modified/customized BP cartridge guns.  I've seen actual photos of 1874 Sharps and No 1 Rolling Blocks so modified.  When I tried to find some more info on Gemmer and his guns I came up with this article:

https://www.gemmermuzzleloadingclub.com/john-phillip-gemmer/

Has anyone here ever seen a book on Gemmer and his taking over the Hawken Shop?  Also, anyone know of a custom gunsmith doing "Gemmer Style" modifications to rifles?

Dave

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Re: Gemmer Modified Rifles
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2021, 01:44:17 PM »

 :)  Hi Dave  :D

Actually . . . NO help.  Just carousing along being a nuisance.

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Re: Gemmer Modified Rifles
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2021, 03:53:27 PM »
Howdy Dave,

No Problem. Just take the forend and buttstock off a real St. Louis Hawken and stick them on your Sharps or RB. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the under barrel rib, Ramrod and ferrules. You're good to go, sort of.

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Re: Gemmer Modified Rifles
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2021, 11:32:03 PM »
Coffin,

Speakin' of playin' it safe,  rambling is generally safer than carousing.  Just sayin'!  (smile)

Reverend,

If I could do any of that stuff...I wouldn't be looking for a gunsmith!  LOL

Dave

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Re: Gemmer Modified Rifles
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2021, 06:51:47 AM »
I’ve always thought that the Gemmer breachloading rifles were beautiful too.
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Re: Gemmer Modified Rifles
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2021, 10:22:40 AM »
Then too on the practical side, with any kind of single shot (Sharps, RB, Trapdoor, Ballard, etc.) having a wiping rod tucked under the barrel would come in handy.

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Re: Gemmer Modified Rifles
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2021, 12:20:54 PM »
Dave T,
That was my thinking with the Trapdoor Rifle over the carbine.    It was one of the many things that got me to buy the rifle.    That and having me look at anything cavalry oriented made horses nervous.    ;D

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Re: Gemmer Modified Rifles
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2021, 04:09:29 PM »
Although I'm not a big fan of the Trap-Door I always like of liked the look of the Officer's Model. It as a little of that "Gemmer" look to it with the half stock fore end and the cleaning rod under the barrel.

Dave

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Re: Gemmer Modified Rifles
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2021, 05:45:17 PM »
Regarding gunsmiths taking on the task of "gemmerizing" various cartridge guns, John Bergmann of Tennessee looks like an accomplished candidate...:

https://www.flickr.com/people/flntlok/


This thread also has a photo of one of his gemmerized Trap-Doors:

https://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php?topic=58041.msg696162#msg696162
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Re: Gemmer Modified Rifles
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2021, 10:33:29 AM »
Great info Cap'n!  Thanks for the links.

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Re: Gemmer Modified Rifles
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2021, 12:55:26 PM »
I too am a fan of the Gemmer style breechloaders. This is my Spencer carbine that had been converted to a mountain rifle. It features a 26" octagon barrel, cleaning rod, set trigger and the tang drilled and tapped for a sight. The caliber was changed from 56-52 to 56-46 rimfire. Jw







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