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The Darksider's Den / Re: How did we get these "Calibers"?
« Last post by Hair Trigger Jim on Today at 11:12:24 PM »

The next cartridge in the series was the .38 Long from UMC.  It was a .38" heeled bullet cartridge...

The came the .38 Long Colt. It was used in the Colt M1892 revolver.  This black powder cartridge was internally lubed...

While this sequence of development is correct, historically, the names ".38 Long" vs ".38 Long Colt" (as you probably know) didn't necessarily distinguish between the heeled and inside-lubricated cartridges.  For example, I have a 3/4 full box by Winchester (still sealed on one side) labeled "38 Cal. Long Center Fire" with headstamps reading "W.R.A.Co. .38 LONG", but loaded with inside-lubricated, not heeled, bullets.  Of course, if you look at the end of the box, not the top, you'd think the cartridge is called "38 Cal. Colts. C. F."  And if anybody can explain the period after "Colts", please let me know!
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The Darksider's Den / Re: How did we get these "Calibers"?
« Last post by FriscoCounty on Today at 10:19:12 PM »
Let's start with the 1851 Colt.  It was a .36 caliber pistol because the convention was to use the bore size of .36".  The groove was about .375" and the cylinder bore diameter was .380" (this is for originals not modern copies). So far so good?  Now, when cartridge conversions came about, the rear of the cylinder was milled off and than was it.  The cartridges used heeled bullets so the case diameter, the bullet, and the cylinder bore were all .38". 

The first cartridge was the .38 Colt for use in 1851 and 1861 conversions.  The name was based on the diameter of the bullet.  It was later renamed the .38 Short Colt. 

The next cartridge in the series was the .38 Long from UMC.  It was a .38" heeled bullet cartridge with the case lengthened to allow more powder capacity and was developed by UMC for Colt's Newline revolvers and centerfire conversions of the 1851 and 1861 Colt revolvers requested by the US Navy.  Because it was developed for this contract was also known as the .38 Navy.

The came the .38 Long Colt. It was used in the Colt M1892 revolver.  This black powder cartridge was internally lubed.  As such the diameter of the bullet was now the same as the inside diameter of the case and not the outside.  Its bullet diameter was now .357".  The case of the .38LC was 0.14" longer than the .38L to allow the case to cover the lube grooves and still have the same overall length and powder capacity.  This was also known as the .38 Army.

After the .38 Long Colt came the S&W .38 Special.  The case was again lengthened to 1.15" and reduced in diameter to .379".  It was transitional in that it was introduced just before smokeless became common and was loaded with smokeless soon after it introduction.

Next came the Remington .357 Magnum.  The case was lengthened again and was a true smokeless cartridge.
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Upcoming Musters / Re: Dept. of the Missouri Muster
« Last post by Niederlander on Today at 09:34:30 PM »
I need to make that one one of these days.  Glad you guys had fun!
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Slim, Go here for the information
https://www.guns.com/news/2022/10/07/gun-buyers-aged-18-20-now-set-for-enhanced-background-check-process
I found that one also. I've been ranting since I found it. These people need to be fired and constitutionalists need to be elected in their places.  >:( I said other things but won't put them in writing especially on the internet.
https://www.guns.com/news/2022/06/24/meanwhile-in-the-senate-bipartisan-anti-gun-bill-rushed-to-house

Slim
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Upcoming Musters / Re: Dept. of the Missouri Muster
« Last post by Quick Fire on Today at 08:19:48 PM »
Dale, we finished the match Saturday about a half hour ahead of the rain. As usual, Al and Ken did an outstanding job of coming up with a fun but challenging match. Another great shoot in the books.
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The Longbranch / Re: The "Card Game"
« Last post by Major E A Sterner on Today at 07:07:33 PM »
Gunna need a bunch more of the tiny birds to make a meal.
Major throws in a couple dead rattlesnakes to fill the pot out some.
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Spencer Shooting Society / Re: Larry Romano Spencer Rifles
« Last post by El Supremo on Today at 07:03:34 PM »
Fascinating, stunned, and thanks:

Dusty, I will be happy to share all of what I have learned from Larry Romano and other owners of his Spencer's. 

For now, I believe he made approx. 66 Spencer Model 1860s, with Larry telling me rifles accounted for about 25 percent. 

There is a lot more to this topic and I can help.  My use of "help" is important.  May I suggest you QUICKLY PM me here with your phone contact information.
Very respectfully,
Kevin Tinny
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The Darksider's Den / Re: .45 Cowboy Special
« Last post by Coffinmaker on Today at 06:53:34 PM »

 :)  YEPPER  ;)

YESSIREE ... BOB.  PLASTICS could be a real serious boon or is it Boom.  There is a Canadian out fit has developed a process for making Building Blocks that are sort of like Lego(tm) blocks.  Primary material is recycled plastics.  Any color, ground up fine and mix'd with a touch of concrete.  Strong as hell, cheaper than building a house with wood, and with packaging, an endless supply of raw material.  Good tip there MAKO.  May have to think an investment.

I also have a real nifty set of .45 Conversions, built on 1860esque Pietta frames.  Currently have three separate barrel sets for 'em.  Set 'em up with ACP Cylinders so I could shoot ACP cases and C45S cases interchangeably.  Works a treat and loaded with 130Gr Barnstormer bullets, recoil is on par with Suppository .38s.  Super FUN!!
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The Longbranch / Re: The "Card Game"
« Last post by Coffinmaker on Today at 06:39:54 PM »

Coffinmaker Checks.  Are the birds to be roasted or fried ???
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