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The Winchester Model 1876 / Re: I really need a 1876 mag tube?
« Last post by yahoody on May 15, 2022, 09:27:29 AM »
>just goes to show its never safe to assume stuff - I eyeballed these from ten feet and thought they all same

I did as well.  I have Browning '86 tubes.  But foolishly gave away my '76 short mag tube that I could have used.  Surprised me the '86 tube wouldn't work as I am using cut down 45-70 brass.

I'll keep looking for that curtain rod.

Is the "Home maker" store an actual chain store?  I tried Lowes, no go.  Home Depot is next.
NCOWS / Re: Credit where credit is due...
« Last post by Hplummer on May 15, 2022, 08:36:08 AM »
Sounds like spoken from experience!😂

 :)  Lou  ;)

It also appears the base of the case is oversize to the chamber (Bears witness marks).

Something is also not concentric between bolt face and chamber, I'm just no sure what.

PLUS ONE !!  and a HUGE PLUS ONE to DJ about running the Jamison Brass "as is."  something you have to remember . . . should you break something, there are NO replacement parts.  I'd personally suggest a return to re-formed 45-70 brass.

Play Safe
NCOWS / Re: Credit where credit is due...
« Last post by Froogal on May 15, 2022, 08:16:29 AM »
Well, the first thing is to get on your hands AND knees, and then try to stand up with your hands still on the ground, and if THAT works, then SLOWLY move into an upright position, 'cause if you move too fast you'll just go over backwards.

The other option is to simply crawl on hands and knees over to the nearest tree or fence post.
The Longbranch / Re: Random thoughts
« Last post by Froogal on May 15, 2022, 08:09:30 AM »
The plastic bag in the produce department. YEP!!
Tall Tales / Re: May flowers bring coffee, tea and grub
« Last post by Silver Creek Slim on May 15, 2022, 07:47:25 AM »
Morning y'all.
Coffee and tea are ready.

'Tis 59 and mostly sunny. High of 74.

The original 45-60  has a larger rim diameter than a .45-70 .  I suspect your '76 was set up to use reformed .45-70 cases (which are more plentiful and less expensive that .45-60), and the cartridge rim guide/locator is swaging that notch into your original-size cases.

Turning the rims should work.  You will probably want to avoid using the untrimmed oversize rims, because you're putting a lot of pressure on that part of your bolt by forcing it closed, and you risk breaking that guide piece off.

The Winchester Model 1876 / Re: I really need a 1876 mag tube?
« Last post by greyhawk on May 15, 2022, 06:33:14 AM »
Thanks. I'll take a look.   I have '86 tubes.   They are too small for a 76.

just goes to show its never safe to assume stuff - I eyeballed these from ten feet and thought they allasame

my Uberti 76 tube =18.93mm ---19mm chinese curtain rod stripped of its plastic coat = 18.93mm

chiappa 1886 tube = 17.93mm  - so yeah 86 tube wont work!

the surprise package was model 71 Browning 348 tube = 18.37mm

I guess technically ......rim size for the 76 (45/75 and 50/95) is bigger than the 348 round

Anyway looks like that curtain rod will work unless china makes a different size for your market .
The Longbranch / Re: Lever rifles back in the day, rifle vs. carbine
« Last post by greyhawk on May 15, 2022, 05:55:33 AM »
Boys I dont know how the old timers did it but many of them would have been familiar with longer heavier barrelled guns from the muzzleloader era - a 20 inch carbine woulda looked like a kids gun I bet.
Standing unsupported I do much better with a rifle length, with a bit of heft to it, if eyes are a bit dodgy that extra six or eight inches sight radius helps a lot also. If I had to make one offhand shot that really counted - I reckon it would be a tossup between my 40 inch barrel flintlock or my 1876 (28" tube).
Different story alltogether if we thrownin lead at twenty feet in the scrub or such.
I have a 92 with a 26 inch barrel - weighs just a tad over 7pound empty, its beautifully balanced for carrying, comes to the shoulder nice, long sight radius, magazine holds a couple extra, how much handier would a carbine be? nothing much in it I reckon unless a feller is stuck in the middle of a briar patch someplace and got the muzzle snagged, a rifle dont have to be heavy nor cumbersome.
just food for thought anyways   
Sorry, I made another post not long ago about getting a new-to-me Chaparral 1876 rifle.

Yes, the Jamison case rim is larger than the Winchester brass 45-70 cases I cut down to the 45-60 length. The Winchester 45-70 case rim is .600 and the Jamison 45-60 case rim is around .680. They are Ten X rounds made for the 45-60 WCF. I would think they should chamber if they are made specifically for the 1876 rifle in 45-60 caliber.

Does anyone else shoot Ten X 45-60 ammo and if so have they encountered this problem? Or, is it another problem encountered with the Chaparral 1876 rifle. If it is a problem with the rifle can it be corrected? As I asked previously, can the ejector spring be too heavy pushing the case downward as the ejector engages the case rim causing the rim locater extension to bite into the case rim? Notice the firing pin strike is off center above where the bite is in the case rim also indicating as though the case might be being pushed downward.

I have trimmed the case rims on the Jamison rounds I shot to the same size as the Winchester 45-70 cases but have not yet loaded them or tried to chamber one. 
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