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Re: Vetterl-Vitali (down on the farm)
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2017, 10:18:34 PM »
Someone over on the gunboards Italian forum was working on getting those four round chargers into production.
I believe he was trying for late this year.

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Re: Vetterl-Vitali (down on the farm)
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2017, 05:03:03 PM »
Yep, that's AV Ballistics in Australia.  There's a bunch of us waiting to send him some money!

http://avbtechservices.com.au/catalog/  



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Re: Vetterl-Vitali (down on the farm)
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2017, 05:49:28 PM »
And he's planning to make them for Beaumont-Vitali too, so I'll have to order double(if I ever get around to that project. Broken stocks where they cut out for the magazine are common)

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Re: Vetterl-Vitali (down on the farm)
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Re: Vetterl-Vitali (down on the farm)
« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2017, 04:06:42 PM »
Was in Columbia this morning, stopped by Midway and picked up the Lee 430-310 mold.  Cast a half dozen when I got back to Meta, loaded them up, and went out to the farm.  Bingo!  Ah, Bellissima!  The Rifle loves these compared to the 240s I was using.  2" group without really trying.  With my alloy (melted Shot) dropped at .427 at the driving bands, .426 just above the first crimp groove.  I loaded to the 2nd crimp groove, no problems in any of my dies.  Left off the gas check (black powder boat tail) and dipped lubed the bullets.  Had a greasy muzzle.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/511417/lee-2-cavity-bullet-mold-c430-310-rf-44-special-44-remington-magnum-44-40-wcf-430-diameter-310-grain-flat-nose-gas-check

Pony, I think that would make a dandy deer bullet.
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Re: Vetterl-Vitali (down on the farm)
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2017, 09:26:23 PM »
I suspect you're getting better accuracy with the longer bullets because by seating them out a couple of lube grooves, you're leaving part of the bullet at groove diameter. The short bullets, since the entire bearing surface is inside the case, gets "sized" to something somewhat smaller than groove diameter when you run the loaded round into the .303 die. That would only work if it was a hollow base bullet.

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Re: Vetterl-Vitali (down on the farm)
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2017, 09:09:32 PM »
Package arrived from Midway today-among the contents are a 44-310 mold and 41Swiss dies. So we'll see how mine likes them.

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Re: Vetterl-Vitali (down on the farm)
« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2017, 03:35:06 AM »
I picked up an original VItali clip off ebay.  Gonna try it out this weekend.
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Re: Vetterl-Vitali (down on the farm)
« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2017, 08:23:18 AM »
I have a Swiss Vetterli and a plethora of .427- 200 grain lead bullets. Can anyone recommend a safe load using this bullet?

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Re: Vetterl-Vitali (down on the farm)
« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2017, 02:21:01 PM »
I have no experience with the Swiss kind, only a little with the Italian. Perhaps River City John has some info.

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Re: Vetterl-Vitali (down on the farm)
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2017, 03:00:16 PM »
I use a 240gr. bullet cast from an Accurate Mold intended for the Vetterli. Three dippers full of the .7cc of Trail Boss, i.e. 9.6 grains. Alox lube wiped on the  bullet after loading.

Overall cartridge length is critical so that the next cartridge in line in the magazine does not hang up on the lifter, 2.2"oa.

Urge you to experiment with your chosen components.

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Re: Vetterl-Vitali (down on the farm)
« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2017, 08:04:13 PM »
I have a Swiss Vetterli and a plethora of .427- 200 grain lead bullets. Can anyone recommend a safe load using this bullet?
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Re: Vetterl-Vitali (down on the farm)
« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2017, 09:12:35 PM »
Plethora = mucho

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Re: Vetterl-Vitali (down on the farm)
« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2017, 11:20:47 PM »
"What is a plethora?" said with a Spanish accent.........

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Re: Vetterl-Vitali (down on the farm)
« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2017, 12:27:41 AM »
plethora = superfluity   i:e:   butt load   ;D
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Re: Vetterl-Vitali (down on the farm)
« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2017, 07:28:29 AM »
Plethora = more than the wife is aware of and is unhealthy for me if she finds out.  :-X

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Re: Vetterl-Vitali (down on the farm)
« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2017, 08:15:08 AM »
And this is why it's so hard to have a sustained conversation on social media . . .
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Re: Vetterl-Vitali (down on the farm)
« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2017, 11:25:52 AM »
"What is a plethora?" said with a Spanish accent.........


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Re: Vetterl-Vitali (down on the farm)
« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2017, 08:58:25 PM »
Cast a few bullets this evening, loaded my 3 Vetterli cases with 10gr Trailboss, following the "Trailboss 60% formula". Will try them later this week.

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Re: Vetterl-Vitali (down on the farm)
« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2017, 07:48:31 PM »
Used mine this last weekend for one stage at our local match, along with my lone Vitali clip.  Great fun.  Several "what is that thing!?"  Had a few guests request to try it after the match.  Shot up what was left of my 20 rounds. 

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Re: Vetterl-Vitali (down on the farm)
« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2017, 06:15:47 AM »
Had an "unintentional" hunting trip with the Vetterli-an unsuccessful one. Yesterday evening I was finally going to take my 3 loaded rounds out to the backyard range to see where they might hit relative to the sights. Wife was in garden, called out to me "The Long Nose one is here" No, the long nose is not an elephant! It's her name for the Armadillo that keeps poking holes all over the garden. Quickly located the armored critter, and figuring the untested load would probably shoot a little high, took a careful 6:00 hold on it and.....shot exactly where I was aiming. Panzer rat flew straight up a couple of feet, came back down running full tilt, under the fence by the lagoon and into the brush. Oh, well, maybe next time.

 

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