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The Darksider's Den / Re: Arbor Length in Late model Uberti 1861 Navy
« Last post by 45 Dragoon on December 03, 2023, 09:45:08 AM »
:) Oh Bother  ;)

How did Pietta sneak into this conversation??  We were discussing Uberti wern't we??  Just as a point, over the last 15 or so years, I haven't found enough error in the Barrel to Arbor fit in Pietta to be concerned about.

Regarding the 90 degree barrel twist, only enough offset is required to gauge the amount of overlap (should be zero).  The problem lies with the poor matchup between the bore in the Barrel Lug and the Arbor.  Mostly, out of the box, the barrel has had to be "driven" onto the arbor and the "driven" off to disassemble.  Just looking for a "witness mark" in the bottom of the hole will only confirm the whole assembly doesn't fit properly.

Now, to be honest. I can't speak for Uberti guns made over the last 4 or so years as I have taken down my shingle.  However, if Uberti couldn't be bothered to fix the problem over the last two or three DECADES I would not expect it to be corrected now.

I guess I did by mentioning that they HAD corrected the problem.
Uberti's are still  short ( that includes all the "factory Conversions").
 You're exactly right about the witness mark .  .  . if it ain't there, it don't fit right. Dressing down a spacer  "to fit" is quick an easy.  As I said, you can dress the wedge slot corners in the arbor for easier install / removal, being able to turn the barrel 90° or any degrees makes no sense and isn't necessary (caveat: for my correction. Maybe that'll make some folks feel better ;D). As I said before,  you don't need a measurement to hand fit a spacer. Too much changes when you drive the wedge in tight after all one's measuring. Fitting by hand with wedge driven in removes all "figuring" ( hard to measure  " wedge driven in"). Once barrel lug meets frame,  you can continue to dress the spacer (carefully) for "endshake spec." or affix the spacer in the hole and dress the end of the arbor for your "endshake spec". Simple and easy  and no unneeded removal of arbor diameter material.

Mike

 
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Thanks for another good episode. Those 1st generation Colts are mighty nice. You mentioned it had a heavy hammer spring. Evidently it wasn't uncommon a practice back then to put a piece of leather under the hammer spring at the screw to lighten it.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Arbor Length in Late model Uberti 1861 Navy
« Last post by Niederlander on December 03, 2023, 08:47:52 AM »
To be honest, I'd never heard of the ninety degree thing.  I just rotate it enough for the barrel to be next to the frame so I can tell how much to add to the arbor.
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The Powder Room - CAS reloading / Re: Accurate 2460 in .45-70
« Last post by Niederlander on December 03, 2023, 08:44:48 AM »
Yep, that's what I've been finding, as well.  I'll just use it for .308!
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Arbor Length in Late model Uberti 1861 Navy
« Last post by Coffinmaker on December 03, 2023, 08:23:55 AM »

 :) Oh Bother  ;)

How did Pietta sneak into this conversation??  We were discussing Uberti wern't we??  Just as a point, over the last 15 or so years, I haven't found enough error in the Barrel to Arbor fit in Pietta to be concerned about.

Regarding the 90 degree barrel twist, only enough offset is required to gauge the amount of overlap (should be zero).  The problem lies with the poor matchup between the bore in the Barrel Lug and the Arbor.  Mostly, out of the box, the barrel has had to be "driven" onto the arbor and the "driven" off to disassemble.  Just looking for a "witness mark" in the bottom of the hole will only confirm the whole assembly doesn't fit properly.

Now, to be honest. I can't speak for Uberti guns made over the last 4 or so years as I have taken down my shingle.  However, if Uberti couldn't be bothered to fix the problem over the last two or three DECADES I would not expect it to be corrected now.
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The Powder Room - CAS reloading / Re: Accurate 2460 in .45-70
« Last post by Professor Marvel on December 03, 2023, 03:15:15 AM »
I would be leary of using itin the .45-70

Hodgens says
“ Accurate 2460 is a fast burning, double-base, spherical rifle powder that is a slower derivative of the AA2230 powder. It is suitable for small and medium sized caliber applications but with slightly higher loading densities than AA2230. It provides an additional option for shooters to fine tune and optimize loads and combinations with calibers ranging from the 223 Rem to the 308 Win. 2460 is within the threshold limit for M14 systems.”

Their website
https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/accurate/accurate-2460r
Does not include low pressure rounds like the 45-70
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The Leather Shop / Re: Several new ones
« Last post by CraigC on December 02, 2023, 10:29:27 PM »
Yeah, i think for that particular use, the scallops would be too much. There's already a lot going on there. It looks like the original is actually a wiggle. So I ordered one of those too. ;)

Barry had said a few years ago that he was working on a Greek wave stamp but alas, I still don't see it.
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The Longbranch / Re: Do you own a piece of history? Please share your items & accounts
« Last post by Froogal on December 02, 2023, 03:23:35 PM »
My grandma had a Singer with the foot treadle for power. My mom had one just like it, but electric.
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Gunsmithing / Re: 11 degree forcing cone reaming kit
« Last post by Niederlander on December 02, 2023, 02:37:59 PM »
I like to use the Brownells plug gauges to get the correct depth.  I don't have one for the .36 bore, though.  The one for .45's should work for percussion .44's since the bore size is the same.
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Gun Reviews / Re: Standard Mfg. SAA
« Last post by hatman on December 02, 2023, 02:13:29 PM »
I have two, 7 1/2 and 5 1/2.
I wanted them for their Turnbull-like case hardening.
They didn't disappoint in that regard, but in terms of overall quality and shootability my Ubertis are just as good.
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