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CAS TOPICS => The Longbranch => Topic started by: River City John on May 25, 2022, 05:41:33 PM
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Pinellas Park High School.
Frontier Middle School.
Heath High School.
Pearl High School.
Thurston High School.
Columbine High School.
Heritage High School.
Deming Middle School.
Fort Gibson Middle School.
Buell Elementary School.
Lake Worth Middle School.
University of Arkansas.
Junipero Serra High School.
Santana High School.
Bishop Neumann High School.
Pacific Lutheran University.
Santana High School.
Granite Hills High School.
Lew Wallace High School.
Martin Luther King, Jr. High School.
Appalachian School of Law.
Washington High School.
Conception Abbey.
Benjamin Tasker Middle School.
University of Arizona.
Lincoln High School.
John McDonogh High School.
Red Lion Area Junior High School.
Case Western Reserve University.
Rocori High School.
Ballou High School.
Randallstown High School.
Bowen High School.
Red Lake Senior High School.
Harlan Community Academy High School.
Campbell County High School.
Milwee Middle School.
Roseburg High School.
Pine Middle School.
Essex Elementary School.
Duquesne University.
Platte Canyon High School.
Weston High School.
West Nickel Mines School.
Joplin Memorial Middle School.
Henry Foss High School.
Compton Centennial High School.
Virginia Tech.
Success Tech Academy.
Miami Carol City Senior High School.
Hamilton High School.
Louisiana Technical College.
Mitchell High School.
E.O. Green Junior High School.
Northern Illinois University.
Lakota Middle School.
Knoxville Central High School.
Willoughby South High School.
Henry Ford High School.
University of Central Arkansas.
Dillard High School.
Dunbar High School.
Hampton University.
Harvard College.
Larose-Cut Off Middle School.
International Studies Academy.
Skyline College.
Discovery Middle School.
University of Alabama.
DeKalb School.
Deer Creek Middle School.
Ohio State University.
Mumford High School.
University of Texas.
Kelly Elementary School.
Marinette High School.
Aurora Central High School.
Millard South High School.
Martinsville West Middle School.
Worthing High School.
Millard South High School.
Highlands Intermediate School.
Cape Fear High School.
Chardon High School.
Episcopal School of Jacksonville.
Oikos University.
Hamilton High School.
Perry Hall School.
Normal Community High School.
University of South Alabama.
Banner Academy South.
University of Southern California.
Sandy Hook Elementary School.
Apostolic Revival Center Christian School.
Taft Union High School.
Osborn High School.
Stevens Institute of Business and Arts.
Hazard Community and Technical College.
Chicago State University.
Lone Star College-North.
Cesar Chavez High School.
Price Middle School.
University of Central Florida.
New River Community College.
Grambling State University.
Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
Ossie Ware Mitchell Middle School.
Ronald E. McNair Discovery Academy.
North Panola High School.
Carver High School.
Agape Christian Academy.
Sparks Middle School.
North Carolina A&T State University.
Stephenson High School.
Brashear High School.
West Orange High School.
Arapahoe High School.
Edison High School.
Liberty Technology Magnet High School.
Hillhouse High School.
Berrendo Middle School.
Purdue University.
South Carolina State University.
Los Angeles Valley College.
Charles F. Brush High School.
University of Southern California.
Georgia Regents University.
Academy of Knowledge Preschool.
Benjamin Banneker High School.
D. H. Conley High School.
East English Village Preparatory Academy.
Paine College.
Georgia Gwinnett College.
John F. Kennedy High School.
Seattle Pacific University.
Reynolds High School.
Indiana State University.
Albemarle High School.
Fern Creek Traditional High School.
Langston Hughes High School.
Marysville Pilchuck High School.
Florida State University.
Miami Carol City High School.
Rogers State University.
Rosemary Anderson High School.
Wisconsin Lutheran High School.
Frederick High School.
Tenaya Middle School.
Bethune-Cookman University.
Pershing Elementary School.
Wayne Community College.
J.B. Martin Middle School.
Southwestern Classical Academy.
Savannah State University.
Harrisburg High School.
Umpqua Community College.
Northern Arizona University.
Texas Southern University.
Tennessee State University.
Winston-Salem State University.
Mojave High School.
Lawrence Central High School.
Franklin High School.
Muskegon Heights High School.
Independence High School.
Madison High School.
Antigo High School.
University of California-Los Angeles.
Jeremiah Burke High School.
Alpine High School.
Townville Elementary School.
Vigor High School.
Linden McKinley STEM Academy.
June Jordan High School for Equity.
Union Middle School.
Mueller Park Junior High School.
West Liberty-Salem High School.
University of Washington.
King City High School.
North Park Elementary School.
North Lake College.
Freeman High School.
Mattoon High School.
Rancho Tehama Elementary School.
Aztec High School.
Wake Forest University.
Italy High School.
NET Charter High School.
Marshall County High School.
Sal Castro Middle School.
Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School
Great Mills High School
Central Michigan University
Huffman High School
Frederick Douglass High School
Forest High School
Highland High School
Dixon High School
Santa Fe High School
Noblesville West Middle School
University of North Carolina Charlotte
STEM School Highlands Ranch
Edgewood High School
Palm Beach Central High School
Providence Career & Technical Academy
Fairley High School (school bus)
Canyon Springs High School
Dennis Intermediate School
Florida International University
Central Elementary School
Cascade Middle School
Davidson High School
Prairie View A & M University
Altascocita High School
Central Academy of Excellence
Cleveland High School
Robert E. Lee High School
Cheyenne South High School
Grambling State University
Blountsville Elementary School
Holmes County, Mississippi (school bus)
Prescott High School
College of the Mainland
Wynbrooke Elementary School
UNC Charlotte
Riverview Florida (school bus)
Second Chance High School
Carman-Ainsworth High School
Williwaw Elementary School
Monroe Clark Middle School
Central Catholic High School
Jeanette High School
Eastern Hills High School
DeAnza High School
Ridgway High School
Reginald F. Lewis High School
Saugus High School
Pleasantville High School
Waukesha South High School
Oshkosh High School
Catholic Academy of New Haven
Bellaire High School
North Crowley High School
McAuliffe Elementary School
South Oak Cliff High School
Texas A&M University-Commerce
Sonora High School
Western Illinois University
Oxford High School
Robb Elementary School
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Against my better judgement, I'll ask...time for what?
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For you to hand over your guns!! They are bad news and we law abiding citizens should pay for crimes committed by evil people with our safety and freedoms.
I'm sure it was against the law for the 18 yo to bring a weapon on school property but apparently he didn't care . . . that's the problem with laws . . . they only work when you follow them . . . criminals don't care about laws . . . He probably did know that the school was a "gun free zone" . . .
The Gubment will protect you!!!
Mike
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Pinellas Park High School.
Frontier Middle School.
Heath High School.
Pearl High School.
Thurston High School.
Columbine High School.
Heritage High School.
Deming Middle School.
Fort Gibson Middle School.
Buell Elementary School.
Lake Worth Middle School.
University of Arkansas.
Junipero Serra High School.
Santana High School.
Bishop Neumann High School.
Pacific Lutheran University.
Santana High School.
Granite Hills High School.
Lew Wallace High School.
Martin Luther King, Jr. High School.
Appalachian School of Law.
Washington High School.
Conception Abbey.
Benjamin Tasker Middle School.
University of Arizona.
Lincoln High School.
John McDonogh High School.
Red Lion Area Junior High School.
Case Western Reserve University.
Rocori High School.
Ballou High School.
Randallstown High School.
Bowen High School.
Red Lake Senior High School.
Harlan Community Academy High School.
Campbell County High School.
Milwee Middle School.
Roseburg High School.
Pine Middle School.
Essex Elementary School.
Duquesne University.
Platte Canyon High School.
Weston High School.
West Nickel Mines School.
Joplin Memorial Middle School.
Henry Foss High School.
Compton Centennial High School.
Virginia Tech.
Success Tech Academy.
Miami Carol City Senior High School.
Hamilton High School.
Louisiana Technical College.
Mitchell High School.
E.O. Green Junior High School.
Northern Illinois University.
Lakota Middle School.
Knoxville Central High School.
Willoughby South High School.
Henry Ford High School.
University of Central Arkansas.
Dillard High School.
Dunbar High School.
Hampton University.
Harvard College.
Larose-Cut Off Middle School.
International Studies Academy.
Skyline College.
Discovery Middle School.
University of Alabama.
DeKalb School.
Deer Creek Middle School.
Ohio State University.
Mumford High School.
University of Texas.
Kelly Elementary School.
Marinette High School.
Aurora Central High School.
Millard South High School.
Martinsville West Middle School.
Worthing High School.
Millard South High School.
Highlands Intermediate School.
Cape Fear High School.
Chardon High School.
Episcopal School of Jacksonville.
Oikos University.
Hamilton High School.
Perry Hall School.
Normal Community High School.
University of South Alabama.
Banner Academy South.
University of Southern California.
Sandy Hook Elementary School.
Apostolic Revival Center Christian School.
Taft Union High School.
Osborn High School.
Stevens Institute of Business and Arts.
Hazard Community and Technical College.
Chicago State University.
Lone Star College-North.
Cesar Chavez High School.
Price Middle School.
University of Central Florida.
New River Community College.
Grambling State University.
Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
Ossie Ware Mitchell Middle School.
Ronald E. McNair Discovery Academy.
North Panola High School.
Carver High School.
Agape Christian Academy.
Sparks Middle School.
North Carolina A&T State University.
Stephenson High School.
Brashear High School.
West Orange High School.
Arapahoe High School.
Edison High School.
Liberty Technology Magnet High School.
Hillhouse High School.
Berrendo Middle School.
Purdue University.
South Carolina State University.
Los Angeles Valley College.
Charles F. Brush High School.
University of Southern California.
Georgia Regents University.
Academy of Knowledge Preschool.
Benjamin Banneker High School.
D. H. Conley High School.
East English Village Preparatory Academy.
Paine College.
Georgia Gwinnett College.
John F. Kennedy High School.
Seattle Pacific University.
Reynolds High School.
Indiana State University.
Albemarle High School.
Fern Creek Traditional High School.
Langston Hughes High School.
Marysville Pilchuck High School.
Florida State University.
Miami Carol City High School.
Rogers State University.
Rosemary Anderson High School.
Wisconsin Lutheran High School.
Frederick High School.
Tenaya Middle School.
Bethune-Cookman University.
Pershing Elementary School.
Wayne Community College.
J.B. Martin Middle School.
Southwestern Classical Academy.
Savannah State University.
Harrisburg High School.
Umpqua Community College.
Northern Arizona University.
Texas Southern University.
Tennessee State University.
Winston-Salem State University.
Mojave High School.
Lawrence Central High School.
Franklin High School.
Muskegon Heights High School.
Independence High School.
Madison High School.
Antigo High School.
University of California-Los Angeles.
Jeremiah Burke High School.
Alpine High School.
Townville Elementary School.
Vigor High School.
Linden McKinley STEM Academy.
June Jordan High School for Equity.
Union Middle School.
Mueller Park Junior High School.
West Liberty-Salem High School.
University of Washington.
King City High School.
North Park Elementary School.
North Lake College.
Freeman High School.
Mattoon High School.
Rancho Tehama Elementary School.
Aztec High School.
Wake Forest University.
Italy High School.
NET Charter High School.
Marshall County High School.
Sal Castro Middle School.
Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School
Great Mills High School
Central Michigan University
Huffman High School
Frederick Douglass High School
Forest High School
Highland High School
Dixon High School
Santa Fe High School
Noblesville West Middle School
University of North Carolina Charlotte
STEM School Highlands Ranch
Edgewood High School
Palm Beach Central High School
Providence Career & Technical Academy
Fairley High School (school bus)
Canyon Springs High School
Dennis Intermediate School
Florida International University
Central Elementary School
Cascade Middle School
Davidson High School
Prairie View A & M University
Altascocita High School
Central Academy of Excellence
Cleveland High School
Robert E. Lee High School
Cheyenne South High School
Grambling State University
Blountsville Elementary School
Holmes County, Mississippi (school bus)
Prescott High School
College of the Mainland
Wynbrooke Elementary School
UNC Charlotte
Riverview Florida (school bus)
Second Chance High School
Carman-Ainsworth High School
Williwaw Elementary School
Monroe Clark Middle School
Central Catholic High School
Jeanette High School
Eastern Hills High School
DeAnza High School
Ridgway High School
Reginald F. Lewis High School
Saugus High School
Pleasantville High School
Waukesha South High School
Oshkosh High School
Catholic Academy of New Haven
Bellaire High School
North Crowley High School
McAuliffe Elementary School
South Oak Cliff High School
Texas A&M University-Commerce
Sonora High School
Western Illinois University
Oxford High School
Robb Elementary School
yeah its time -----put a fence around the school (most have em already anyways) one entry point, automated scanner at the gate, security guard that stays awake, nobody gets in or out unless they scan clean for metal objects, jeez they been doin it in airports for twenty years - that thing will pick up a set of car keys or a wristwatch - this aint hard folks. in the overall scheme of things its not a big expense
the thing about politicians and buracrats - nobody could possibly be that stoopid so what they do must be deliberate.................................
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It's time the student's / children in this country get the same amount of protection our congress has provided for themselves . Armed guards and security quality fencing , metal detectors ect. Our government funds billions of dollars to other countries for their security . It's Time we demand that the children in our country are protected . Most people in this country have No Idea what these children have gone through . In the City of Uvalde Tx . a city I know very well ! The children of Uvalde even before this shooting , can not even play in their own yard's without a parent or guardian standing watch over them with a firearm , because the city has been overrun with illegal aliens and these illegal's are on the citizens of Uvalde properties , under their houses , hiding in their outbuildings wherever they can . Law Enforcement automobile chasing Cartel / Smugglers are an every day occurrence here . It's Past Time something is done and more law's taking away legal gun owner rights is not the fix for this problem . If you want to help Call your representative and demand our schools are Hardened !!!!! ,,,DT
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Get back to basics. This guy was a drop out that didn’t have enough ambition to have a drivers license. He had a credit card to buy a couple of thousand dollars of guns and gear and plenty of time on the internet. If he had a full time job and some responsibilities to occupy his time with less time on the internet with other wacko people that might help. How about some adults to be aware of what he was doing?
My father, myself, my wife, our son all grew up with unsecured guns in the house. What we didn’t have was the internet and plenty of time to stare at social media. None of us or anyone I knew shot strangers.
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Guns that are capable of mass murder have been prevalent in this country for well over a century. You could buy a gun C.O.D. from Sears Roebuck & Co, and many people did. Growing up in a small, rural town I remember that every pickup truck in town (including those in the high school parking lot) had a well stocked rifle rack, and most vehicles weren't even kept locked. We had plenty of fist fights but it never entered our mind to go get our gun.
So, what's changed ?, because it's not the availability, or access to, deadly firearms.
I'm not interested in debating "gun control " until someone can honestly answer that question. It's far easier for politicians and talking heads to attack guns than admit to, and deal with, the obvious social decay.
Until that honest debate occurs (if ever), it's time to give as much attentionand money to protecting children in school as we do to protecting movie stars, sports stars, politicians, airports, concert venues, etc.
Prayers to the families that have lost loved ones. My heart aches.
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It is time for the teachers and administrators to take responsibility. While the students are IN the school building, and IN the class room, those teachers ARE responsible for not just educating, but more importantly, ARE responsible for the safety and well being of the children. If the teachers need to be armed to perform those duties, then they should be armed. If a teacher does not, or will not accept that responsibility, then they are NOT qualified to be a teacher.
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I’ve always believed that allowing willing trained teachers to qualify with and carry sidearms would harden the schools enough to make them safe along with enhanced security on the actual buildings. These cowardly killers would think twice before attacking a school knowing that there were multiple armed staff. A teacher that is willing to die uselessly to protect her students should be able to kill to protect them. A single resource officer is pretty much useless for this kind of domestic terrorism. Also the national age to legally buy any firearm should be 21, same as alcohol. Making it harder to get a firearm might prevent some of these terrible events. A serious background check might have exposed this angry unemployed unlicensed dropout as the ticking time bomb that he was. Whether he would have invested the time and expense to buy a stolen gun and ammo who knows. Another sad day in America with 21 lives ended too soon.
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As a retired LEO I have to add another thought to this exchange. I've heard two reports on the news about how long it took law enforcement officers to enter the building. One said 40 minutes and the other report said 1 hour.
This makes me ashamed of my former profession. What the (expletive deleted) were they waiting for. Instructions? Back up? Screw that. The first officer there should have gone in and confronted the bad guy, then solved the problem. If they were afraid to do that they should have laid their badges on the hood of their cars and walked home. Cowards!
Dave
PCSD Ret.)
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It is time for the teachers and administrators to take responsibility. While the students are IN the school building, and IN the class room, those teachers ARE responsible for not just educating, but more importantly, ARE responsible for the safety and well being of the children. If the teachers need to be armed to perform those duties, then they should be armed. If a teacher does not, or will not accept that responsibility, then they are NOT qualified to be a teacher.
We have already maneuvered them into being Nurses, Mothers, Nutritionists, Babysitters, Moral Guardians, Psychologists . . . and now Marksmen? Are we going to pay them the equivalent salary of all those job titles? What they signed on for was to TEACH our young.
No wonder Teachers are frustrated and leaving the profession in droves and not having replacements waiting in the wings.
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As a retired LEO I have to add another thought to this exchange. I've heard two reports on the news about how long it took law enforcement officers to enter the building. One said 40 minutes and the other report said 1 hour.
This makes me ashamed of my former profession. What the (expletive deleted) were they waiting for. Instructions? Back up? Screw that. The first officer there should have gone in and confronted the bad guy, then solved the problem. If they were afraid to do that they should have laid their badges on the hood of their cars and walked home. Cowards!
Dave
PCSD Ret.)
This is about what happened at Columbine. Police were ordered NOT to try to enter the building before SWAT got there!
But identifying potential unstable individuals is the key to preventing such things before they happen. Mental health in this country is miserable, especially where kids are concerned! There were signs this character was off the rails. But either his acquaintances didn't or wouldn't alert their parents or LEO, or they were ignored. Just this morning, there were threats of violence at two schools in the metro-Denver area. Police took action and the individuals both jeuvenals were arrested and the threats averted! It can be done and must be! More gun laws will not stop the carnage. There are too many ways for illegal availability to happen!
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We have already maneuvered them into being Nurses, Mothers, Nutritionists, Babysitters, Moral Guardians, Psychologists . . . and now Marksmen? Are we going to pay them the equivalent salary of all those job titles? What they signed on for was to TEACH our young.
No wonder Teachers are frustrated and leaving the profession in droves and not having replacements waiting in the wings.
If your children are threatened at home, Won't their parents protect them? With whatever means necessary? When your children are at school, shouldn't the teacher assume the responsibility of the parents?
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This is about what happened at Columbine. Police were ordered NOT to try to enter the building before SWAT got there!
I know but I'm old (and old fashion) enough to remember when a street cop was supposed to take care of problems. Being on a sheriff's department we were often scattered enough we sometimes didn't even have back-up. You were expected to handle the problem yourself.
I don't have anything against SWAT teams, I trained them as the department's firearms instructor. But toward the end of my career I saw departments all over the country starting to depend on SWAT teams for everything, from barricaded subjects to serving warrants. Good grief!
When I was a detective and the county attorney issued a warrant on a case I had worked, I was expected to serve it, i.e. make the arrest myself. I usually took someone else from the detective bureau but I still served my own warrants. Today beat cops are little more than secretaries who write reports and tickets. Oh wait, they don't do much traffic enforcement these days either, at least not around here.
Rant off...
Dave
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Frugal,
what we do freely as parents is not the same as what others do by hire.
But I like your declaration about wouldn't a concerned parent do anything necessary to protect their children . . .
So, I am amazed at how many of my fellow gun owners are avoiding or deflecting away from the truth. The general population does not need to own modern military-type firepower.
To hunt with? Sorry but screw you, Iowa. That’s just trying to legitimize and camouflage what has been proven in the public mind to be their notorious primary use, - mass murder.
Frankly, I believe there’s a need to be proactive and rein in the proliferation of modern military-type firepower circulating within this country ourselves.
If we don’t then what is going to happen is that eventually every friend, family member and sympathizer of these victims of horrendous shootings (:see the above list of some 250 school shootings. And counting . . .) are going to go after the firearm manufacturers in a more determined effort until the industry gives up and stops making those firearms because it isn’t worth the candle. And this concerted groundswell will be impossible to defeat and overpower by any combined effort of the NRA, gun lobbyists and politicians. (You and I both know that what the politicians desire, more than anything else, is to hold onto power. When the wind blows hard enough, they’ll bend with the breeze.)
These actions will reduce, by attrition, the concentration of modern military-style firearms circulating within the population and make them no longer easily attainable.
It will also permanently establish the tenet that ownership of those weapons is deemed repugnant and socially unacceptable, and make a pariah out of any who advocate their ownership.
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Sorry John, I can’t agree that the object is the problem. He used a car, ban cars, he used the internet, ban the internet, he used a credit card. What is painfully obviously it’s the person not the object.
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I usually stay out of these discussions because it is logic versus emotion.
There's thousands AR-15's in the hands of law abiding citizens for every one that gets used in a crime. If future sales are banned, then potential mass murderers will just walk into schools with a legal pump shotgun and/or pistol and do just as much damage. I do agree that there is no "need" for these types of guns over other types of more traditional firearms for the average citizen, but that gets back to blaming the "evil" gun, or gun availability, instead of the deranged human using it. And of course there is the slippery slope. Give them the AR-15 and what do they come after next?
I would like to see the use of body armor in committing any crime be a mandatory heavy prison sentence. Maybe it is in some places, I don't know.
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When 19 cops stand in a Hall and allow kids to be shot by the maniac and the cops do nothing for 70 mins.!! Kids screaming in terror, yelling for help and the Gubment does nothing!!!
Yeah, let's give up the guns . . . really?? What are law abiding citizens supposed to do?? Just hand the socialists anything they demand??
Anybody know any of the 40 killed this past weekend in Chicago? There tight gun control laws are working splendidly!!!
I'm sorry, punishing law abiding folks is NOT the answer.
Mike
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I would urge you to not let the anti-gun crowd nor those who speak for them miss inform and convince you that you as a law abiding citizen do not need or have the right to own a semiautomatic firearm that resembles military styled weapons, i.e. AR-15, AK-47, M1A, etc. The 2nd Amendment gives every legal law-abiding citizen the Constitutional right to possess a firearm for self-protection, if need be, to overthrow tyranny, and to own and have in their possession firearms equal to either of those tasks. The 2nd Amendment was never meant to be for hunting. It would have been ridiculous to grant the right to bear arms for protection and overthrowing tyranny then not allowing weapons equal to the task and the founding fathers knew and understood that fact. To ban those types of weapons and to refuse law-abiding citizens the right to possess them is flat out unconstitutional.
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We have already maneuvered them into being Nurses, Mothers, Nutritionists, Babysitters, Moral Guardians, Psychologists . . . and now Marksmen? Are we going to pay them the equivalent salary of all those job titles? What they signed on for was to TEACH our young.
No wonder Teachers are frustrated and leaving the profession in droves and not having replacements waiting in the wings.
No they're simply protecting themselves which millions of us do everyday. Not every teacher wants to be armed and no one is saying they HAVE TO! It's their choice! I know several teachers who would be more than happy to be able to carry on their job!
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This is about what happened at Columbine. Police were ordered NOT to try to enter the building before SWAT got there!
But identifying potential unstable individuals is the key to preventing such things before they happen. Mental health in this country is miserable, especially where kids are concerned! There were signs this character was off the rails. But either his acquaintances didn't or wouldn't alert their parents or LEO, or they were ignored. Just this morning, there were threats of violence at two schools in the metro-Denver area. Police took action and the individuals both jeuvenals were arrested and the threats averted! It can be done and must be! More gun laws will not stop the carnage. There are too many ways for illegal availability to happen!
I doubt this was about Columbine, unless their training was decades out of date. We've been trained for the last fifteen or twenty years that the first officer there immediately advances to the sound of gunfire, confronts the shooter or shooter, and exterminates them. Many of us had planned to do that even before that became policy. As a former law enforcement officer, I wouldn't give a plug nickel for ANY of those wannabe peace officers.
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Sorry, River City, I completely disagree.
We don't have a gun problem or AR15 problem or military style weapon problem. We have a people problem. People who are becoming more amoral every day, who can't see the difference between right and wrong, and have no respect for their fellow human beings. Until we confront that reality and find a solution, you can ban every gun and it won't stop this insidious violence.
It would be just as horrific to walk into an elementary school with a gas can, start dousing kids and light a match.
Attacking the guns is just an easy out because society is unable or unwilling to confront the REAL problem of growing social/moral decay.
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when we went to HS in the late 60's, early 70's it wasnt uncommon to bring in shotguns etc to go hunting after school or maybe you were on the shooting team...in my opinion, it all started after the invention of the internet! there were plenty of AR's arround then if you wanted one with civilian production starting arround mid 60's..
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OK, John. Just what exactly is your proposal?
I did not see my school on your list. I was in a school shooting and I was one targeted by the shooter. Shooter had a list of kids he wanted to "prove something" to and fortunately for me most of the other 9th graders on that same list were at 1st lunch period and I was in Algebra class on the other side of the school when the 14 year old shooter came in and started hunting. Most fortune for all of us there that day the principal saw the shooter before anything happened and confronted him in the hallway. The principal asked the kid where he was going with that rifle. The principal told the kid to hand over his gun. The kid said nothing but pointed the gun at the principal and shot him in the chest, killing the principal. (Witnessed by several of the office personnel.) The principal was in his early 30s and left behind his wife, several children and a baby on the way. Said principal was also a US Marine and no way in hell was he going to let anything happen to his students. The bravest of men he was. And he proved it.
We who were there and the official investigation figured the actions of the principal saved many lives that day. Although more students and teachers were shot that day and thankfully no more killed, the shooter running into the principal forcing the shooter out of his plan derailed the shooter and he panicked at that point, making his way through the school towards the lunchroom but never achieving it, instead finding an exit and running from the school. The shooter did shoot his way from the principal's office (the location of the principal's murder) taking shots at whomever he encountered in the hallways, wounding at least 2 other teachers and 2 students before leaving the building, where he ran through a field behind the school. He was found by police helicopter and arrested. Being 14 at the time the law had to charge him as a juvenile and he was released from prison at age 21.
The shooter had 2 guns. He took them from his dad's gunsafe. He was able to do this as the parents were not home when the kid began his actions that day. (Kid had stayed home, planning and arrived at school just before lunch, possibly in hopes of catching all students in passing period.) There is much more to the story but the details are not needed here.
We grieved. We were shocked, angry, perplexed, horrified; our young minds tainted with the ugliness that can come from a disturbed mind. Those memories never fade.
We knew the kid. We knew he had issues of which I will not detail here. We discussed everything. We analyzed every action leading up to the shooter's breaking point. We over analyzed the school, the students, the culture, the hows and whys. You know what was not discussed? You know what didn't matter? The guns used. Why? Because that is disingenuous to the conversation. The true focus was everywhere else, because that is what mattered. We placed blame on the person. He was solely responsible for this. His actions. Not anything else.
You know what? This kid's profile was the exactly same as all the other disturbed individuals who have done this since then. Physical or mental abuse, lack of spirituality and morals, a fragile psyche, perceived societal abuse, who knows exactly what and how all his surrounding stimuli was processed and led him to this violence. It wasn't the inanimate objects in his dad's gunsafe though.
John, you posted a long list of schools that I assume have experienced some kind of (I hate to use this term...) "gun violence?". Is it your contention that a particular style of weapon was used in each one of these? Without spending vast amounts of time digging through all the particular details of each you've listed to verify this, I'd have to say if this is your point, you've erred. And the argument to ban something inanimate misses the point of all this carnage entirely.
Now for the media's drive to enact more gun control, they will never fail to use the red herring of the gun itself. Interesting to note, the Santa Fe HS shooting in 2018 quickly became a non media issue as soon as the media discovered the shooter used a pump shotgun to murder 10 people in school. Hmm. The gun did not fit their narrative. I'd also submit that the mass shooting at Pulse gay nightclub in Florida where 49 people were murdered became a non story as soon as the media discovered the shooter was a gay muslim. Again we see the media's narrative could not be maintained because the media only care about the story if all the details fit their political agenda. How's that for BS? People die and only half truths are told. So much for reliable journalism these days.
If you think more laws are the answer, that is fallacy. Murder is already unlawful yet that doesn't stop murder. Legislating against lawfully owned firearms does not solve anything.
Again what exactly are you proposing?
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Cowntown,
Bless your heart sir!!!!
Mike
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A friend sent me this this morning. I don't know who Harrison is but he has struck the nail upon the flat part.
"People demanding 'common sense' gun laws fail to realize the people they think will obey those laws don't use common sense. Besides, a society that believes 2+2=5 and that can no longer define what a woman is, may want to find something other than 'common sense' to make its case." —Darrell B. Harrison
Dave
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Evil exists not in the gun but in the hearts of evil men.
We wonder what has changed from the time when we carried guns in the back windows of our pickups, never thinking of shooting anyone, to the current time of unthinkable mass shootings at elementary schools. Here is a 15-minute video that in my mind best explains what has happened and is happening. Some may scoff at this video, and you certainly have that right, but to my thinking it is spot on.
I hope I am not breaking the rules by posting it.
https://youtu.be/x6umVd3OX0k
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No they're simply protecting themselves which millions of us do everyday. Not every teacher wants to be armed and no one is saying they HAVE TO! It's their choice! I know several teachers who would be more than happy to be able to carry on their job!
Look how they found the two teachers in there, they had shielded the kids with their own bodies. They should have had the chance to protect not only the kids, but themselves.
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Look how they found the two teachers in there, they had shielded the kids with their own bodies. They should have had the chance to protect not only the kids, but themselves.
Exactly. Too many people take the position that teachers will be mandated to be armed against their wishes. This is NOT the case. NO ONE has advocated this that I have heard. Only teachers who are willing to accept that responsibility and get the proper training will be encouraged to do so. Teachers, by nature of their chosen profession, are in the best position to protect and defend their students in case of an attack like this. This is not rocket science.
Arming our teachers is not the only answer, but part of the overall equation. Hardened security ingress/egress points, and armed pair of well trained non-Barney Fife types (in plain clothes please... not tactical gear as I've read suggested), security cameras, even better trained office staff... all of this makes the school safer for everyone.
Oh, what am I thinking? Just ban guns and all this stops. >:(
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Exactly. Too many people take the position that teachers will be mandated to be armed against their wishes. This is NOT the case. NO ONE has advocated this that I have heard. Only teachers who are willing to accept that responsibility and get the proper training will be encouraged to do so. Teachers, by nature of their chosen profession, are in the best position to protect and defend their students in case of an attack like this. This is not rocket science.
Arming our teachers is not the only answer, but part of the overall equation. Hardened security ingress/egress points, and armed pair of well trained non-Barney Fife types (in plain clothes please... not tactical gear as I've read suggested), security cameras, even better trained office staff... all of this makes the school safer for everyone.
Oh, what am I thinking? Just ban guns and all this stops. >:(
Many schools already have some very good security systems in place. Cameras, security fencing, etc., etc. But NONE of that does any good when the gates are left standing open, the doors are left unlocked, and nobody is monitoring the security cameras.
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I was attending the NCOWS National this past week and away from a computer. I had a great time and enjoyed the company of many good friends I've made within this sport. Decent people one and all, so I hope everyone understands I am not pointing a finger here and attacking gun owners.
I had the opportunity to talk in depth with my traveling buddy, whose common sense and general outlook on life I have the utmost respect and we often bounce views and opinions off each other in our attempt to solve all the world's issues.
First and foremost any solution starts with free, universal healthcare, with an emphasis on mental healthcare. Improve communication between all institutions or departments whose function involves assessment and identification of at risk individuals. Education, Medical, Law Enforcement and Judicial.
Pass H.R. 8 and fast track any similar bills that will undoubtedly be proposed before Congress.
Do we need to raise the legal age for military-type Black Guns purchasing to 21 as a deterrent? It won't stop someone from stealing their parents firearm, nor address the idiot parents who purchase one for their child because they're being bullied at school.
Rather than arming teachers, turn to professional security personnel. Also put school security, hospital security, church security under one umbrella of Homeland Security. Co-ordinate minimum requirements and training.
As to the proliferation of those Black Guns, right now any proposal to eliminate them is unrealistic. Treat ownership of them the same as Class3 with annual $500.00 license fee combined with a voluntary buy-back program, with an eye to eventual sundowning?
Convince the media that depicting John Wick resolving all his problems with firearms is just as damaging and desensitizing as pornography addiction?
It won't be any one thing, but many small changes. But we do need action.
So far three common denominators:
Mental health issue
Multiple capacity modern firearms AR-15 platform used
Locations where occurrences happen are low security where no one to oppose the shooter.
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Restricting magazine capacity? Will the number of magazines you can carry also be restricted? An empty magazine can be changed out for a full magazine in what, 3 or 4 seconds?
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Restricting magazine capacity? Will the number of magazines you can carry also be restricted? An empty magazine can be changed out for a full magazine in what, 3 or 4 seconds?
They already tried that. Ten round limit for ten years. Made no difference in crime. It just made "pre-ban" magazines really expensive during that time.
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I can't help but wonder how people can see the mess Leftist policies have made of this country in just 17 months and think the Left's gun control agenda will do anything but make crime and violence worse. But wait, it already has.
Dear God in Heaven, how I pray for this land and this Nation.
Dave
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I was attending the NCOWS National this past week and away from a computer. I had a great time and enjoyed the company of many good friends I've made within this sport. Decent people one and all, so I hope everyone understands I am not pointing a finger here and attacking gun owners.
I had the opportunity to talk in depth with my traveling buddy, whose common sense and general outlook on life I have the utmost respect and we often bounce views and opinions off each other in our attempt to solve all the world's issues.
First and foremost any solution starts with free, universal healthcare, with an emphasis on mental healthcare. Improve communication between all institutions or departments whose function involves assessment and identification of at risk individuals. Education, Medical, Law Enforcement and Judicial.
Pass H.R. 8 and fast track any similar bills that will undoubtedly be proposed before Congress.
Do we need to raise the legal age for military-type Black Guns purchasing to 21 as a deterrent? It won't stop someone from stealing their parents firearm, nor address the idiot parents who purchase one for their child because they're being bullied at school.
Rather than arming teachers, turn to professional security personnel. Also put school security, hospital security, church security under one umbrella of Homeland Security. Co-ordinate minimum requirements and training.
As to the proliferation of those Black Guns, right now any proposal to eliminate them is unrealistic. Treat ownership of them the same as Class3 with annual $500.00 license fee combined with a voluntary buy-back program, with an eye to eventual sundowning?
Convince the media that depicting John Wick resolving all his problems with firearms is just as damaging and desensitizing as pornography addiction?
It won't be any one thing, but many small changes. But we do need action.
So far three common denominators:
Mental health issue
Multiple capacity modern firearms AR-15 platform used
Locations where occurrences happen are low security where no one to oppose the shooter.
OMG, here is the problem . . .
Mental institutions. - taken away by the left
AR platform rarely used (mostly hand guns ) always the talking "platform" of choice by the left
All schools (you know, where children will be) deemed "gun free zones" - made possible by Joe Biden and the left
One common factor ---- the left
This is why History is definitely the most important subject for the survival of a nation . . . especially a free one!!!
Mike
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I know, maybe we could keep our guns in a centrally located facility and run get them when and if needed!!! Just for emergency's . . you know . . .
We could hold Manufacturers at fault like we do Pharmaceuticals . . . I mean Automobile Manu. . . . never mind those , just gun Manufacturers.
Let's hold parents liable for gun deaths like we do for Automobile . . . never mind . . .
Hey, let's send 40 Billion to a country to help fight a war but let's keep our southern border open and call all public schools "gun free zones" !!
Mike
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When 19 cops stand in a Hall and allow kids to be shot by the maniac and the cops do nothing for 70 mins.!! Kids screaming in terror, yelling for help and the Gubment does nothing!!!
Yeah, let's give up the guns . . . really?? What are law abiding citizens supposed to do?? Just hand the socialists anything they demand??
Anybody know any of the 40 killed this past weekend in Chicago? There tight gun control laws are working splendidly!!!
I'm sorry, punishing law abiding folks is NOT the answer.
Mike
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A big part of the problem concerning mental issues can be blamed directly on the medical community. At least in my corner of the world, there are no longer any general practice medical doctors. Everybody is a specialist in some field or another, and cannot, or will not deal with any medical or mental issues other than the field they specialize in.
So if I have knee or hip problems, it is up to me to decide if I need to see a joint specialist, and if that doctor determines that he can't do anything for me, then that is the end of his responsibilities. He is done with me and won't dig any deeper to see if maybe it is all just in my head. Whereas a general practice doctor is trained to recognize potential mental illnesses and would then refer the patient to a mental specialist.
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Of course, in the midst of all this shaming, let us remember the "Right" thinking nabobs know the eclipse of Sun and Moon are Leftist generated Socialist attempts to control the Universe.
Easy enough to point a "Right Thinking" finger. Now, let's see an actual workable solution.
Just so's you all will understand, I firmly believe in the Second Amendment. I also firmly believe "Gun Control" is a fool's errand. And no, I don't have an answer either.
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It's certain nothing will get done until we can do away with the "Us vs. Them" divisive mindset. We have to understand that we are all the same. We all want these mass shootings to end.
It is strange that we live in a society where pulling peanut butter off the shelves because it is a health hazard, or removing lettuce or spinach because of salmonella contamination, or automobile recalls for safety issues are universally accepted as necessary for the public's safety because the danger is understood. So why is it so difficult for us to have the same willingness to consider action when firearms are involved?
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It's certain nothing will get done until we can do away with the "Us vs. Them" divisive mindset. We have to understand that we are all the same. We all want these mass shootings to end.
It is strange that we live in a society where pulling peanut butter off the shelves because it is a health hazard, or removing lettuce or spinach because of salmonella contamination, or automobile recalls for safety issues are universally accepted as necessary for the public's safety because the danger is understood. So why is it so difficult for us to have the same willingness to consider action when firearms are involved?
Because none of those things are guaranteed and protected by the 2nd Amendment and are not for protection and if necessary overthrowing tyranny. Research has shown the gun bans of the Clinton era did not reduce gun crime. All they did was restrict the rights of law abiding citizens. Once again, evil does not exist in an inanimate object but in the hearts of evil men, and to quote Rand Paul, " The only way to stop an evil man with a gun is a good man with a better aim."
Society has lost its moral mooring and is adrift being tossed in every direction. Many who are in positions of authority have lost the ability to reason justly and are calling evil good and good evil. That is what has changed since we were young. I know it and most of you here know it because we have lived to see the changes. What can we expect when we kick God, the source of ALL good, out of not only our public schools, but the public square, and the nation as a whole.
The immediate solution is to harden public schools like the airports and federal buildings. And don't tell me we can't because we can. This government wastes millions if not billions in funds every year. And as others have pointed out stop making them gun free zones.
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I wish it was as simple as holding up the 2nd Amendment that our Founding Fathers had the wisdom to write into the Bill of Rights defending the right of every man, woman and child in the United States of America to own a flintlock musket.
I have a sinking suspicion with every shooting God is telling us to do something about these type of guns.