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Re: Goex FFF results.
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2021, 10:20:52 AM »

 :)  Froogal   ;)

The Perfesser has excellent points (does a job on his hats though).  You've stumbled on something that works well for you and your guns.  Stick with it.  I've been using Breakfast Food for filler for years and years.  Cream-0-Wheat just works super well.  Since Cream-0-Wheat doesn't compress, makes just an excellent filler to produce compression with BP. 

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Re: Goex FFF results.
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2021, 10:30:44 AM »
:)  Froogal   ;)

The Perfesser has excellent points (does a job on his hats though).  You've stumbled on something that works well for you and your guns.  Stick with it.  I've been using Breakfast Food for filler for years and years.  Cream-0-Wheat just works super well.  Since Cream-0-Wheat doesn't compress, makes just an excellent filler to produce compression with BP. 

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Re: Goex FFF results.
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2021, 10:34:28 PM »
You make a good point. Pretty much the same conclusion that I came to. Also, cream of wheat is less costly than Goex, so this will let me stretch out my supply of powder.

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Re: Goex FFF results.
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2021, 11:20:48 AM »
I haven't shot COW as a filler in years but do recall that it tended to scrub the bore and I had less fouling. It just meant that I needed another flask to pour the COW on top the powder. Woe to he who gets the flasks mixed up. Don't ask me how I know that. Uh, he was a "friend".  ::)
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Re: Goex FFF results.
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2021, 04:00:58 PM »
I have now loaded about 300 .45 Colt cartridges with Goex fff and cream of wheat. I am a bit amazed at just how fast a guy can go through just one pound of powder. I have more brass, and bullets, and powder, but I have depleted my supply of large pistol primers. I am still okay, for now.

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Re: Goex FFF results.
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Re: Goex FFF results.
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2021, 11:59:41 AM »
I'm still learning. Even at 70 years old, and I welcome ALL input. I've shot this load so far in only one six-shooter. Haven't tried the rifle yet, but I expect it to work.

Okay. Got around to testing those loads in my rifle. Loaded 10, the first 2 rounds hit the targets as intended and the rest were all misses. Loaded up 10 more and ALL were misses. Went to the house and grabbed a box that was loaded with Unique, loaded 10, ALL were misses. Back to the house and gave the rifle a thorough cleaning and bore inspection. Looked good after cleaning. Loaded up again with the smokeless loads and the results were totally different. Hit the targets 9 out of 10 times, loaded up again and hit 9 times out of 10.

I'll try again with the black powder, but so far it looks like my Rossi '92 just doesn't like Goex FFF and cream of wheat.

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Re: Goex FFF results.
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2021, 03:15:03 PM »
Froogal, I don't think you ever mentioned what bullet or lube you are using.  You need soft BP-compatible lube for the bullets.  The filler reduces the power and stretches your BP supply but doesn't keep the fouling soft.

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Re: Goex FFF results.
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2021, 04:13:16 PM »
Froogal, I don't think you ever mentioned what bullet or lube you are using.  You need soft BP-compatible lube for the bullets.  The filler reduces the power and stretches your BP supply but doesn't keep the fouling soft.

I cast my own from 1-20 lead from Roto-Metals. 200 grain rnfp. SPG lube.

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Re: Goex FFF results.
« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2021, 06:07:28 PM »
What bullet are you using?  Might not have enough lube capacity for a 20" barrel?
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Re: Goex FFF results.
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2021, 09:47:07 PM »
I think almost any bullet holds enough lube for a 20" barrel, unless the humidity is low.   For more than 2 shots, anyway!  My rifles are max 20", and my BP bullets are all smokeless bullets relubed with my homemade mix, and has always been fine.  But there is usually some humidity here.

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Re: Goex FFF results.
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Re: Goex FFF results.
« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2021, 07:54:29 AM »
Just for the record, there was NO indication of leading in the barrel. It was just fouling from the powder. I squirted some Ballistol down the barrel, let it soak for a bit, and then ran HOT water through it, followed with a bore snake. The bore was then clean. NO fouling. NO leading, and then the smokeless loads worked just fine.

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Re: Goex FFF results.
« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2021, 08:32:39 PM »
Here's my experience. I would have liked to use the Snakebite  "Greasewagon" bullet (from BigLube.com) but it did not feed reliably enough for me in my Rossi '92s. YMMV. Here's what I found: I could shoot the Lyman 158gr 358311 bullet with a BP lube into 1.5"@50 yds if I did a "pull through" (wet swab) between stages. The problem was I got tired of having black gunk splat onto my shirt sleeves that doesn't come out in the wash. So I found that the same load in the 357 Mag of 22 grs FFFg would shoot all day if I put two beeswax discs under the bullet before seating. That gave it the extra lube it needed. The problem was that load grouped about 5-6"@50 yards which, at the time was not acceptable to me so I went to 15grs (wt) of FFFg 777 and never looked back (tight group and no fouling to speak of). One thing that has changed is the rifle targets have gotten a lot closer than in the Old Days of SASS. A 5-6" group would not be a handicap now that the targets are only about 10 yards out. The beeswax discs were made of medium brood core for beekeepers. Check beekeeping suppliers for better prices but hobby stores carry it in colored sheets to be rolled around candle wicks for candle making.
So, if I can no longer get 3F 777 I will gladly go back to FFF Goex and add the beeswax discs and shoot all  day.
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Re: Goex FFF results.
« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2021, 07:42:24 AM »
Okay. I put 30+ rounds of the Goex/cream of wheat loads through my Uberti 7 1/2" barrel yesterday. All were as accurate as I am and no fouling or leading. Do I try those loads in the rifle again?

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Re: Goex FFF results.
« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2021, 12:16:10 PM »
Shoot another 10. If it fouls out after a few rounds you have confirmed the fact that your rifle doesn't like the load. The BP/COW loads generally work well in the shorter barreled pistols. A soft BP type lube might make the difference in your Rossi with the COW loads. I am guessing the COW gets spread out in the longer rifle barrel and the last 4-8" are dry crudded up. You can tell by dropping a weighted cord and a dry swab down the chamber and as you pull toward the muzzle you will feel the buildup. A BP lube might make the fouling just soft enough to get scrubbed out by the COW.
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Re: Goex FFF results.
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2021, 01:55:24 PM »
Shoot another 10. If it fouls out after a few rounds you have confirmed the fact that your rifle doesn't like the load. The BP/COW loads generally work well in the shorter barreled pistols. A soft BP type lube might make the difference in your Rossi with the COW loads. I am guessing the COW gets spread out in the longer rifle barrel and the last 4-8" are dry crudded up. You can tell by dropping a weighted cord and a dry swab down the chamber and as you pull toward the muzzle you will feel the buildup. A BP lube might make the fouling just soft enough to get scrubbed out by the COW.

I am considering loading up a few more with straight Goex, or maybe some Old Eynsford and NOT use any COW. Wondering if that might make a difference?

 

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