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The Darksider's Den / Re: Loading 777 in cartridges
« Last post by hellgate on Yesterday at 07:55:48 PM »
Bunk,
I've been inadvertanyly reloading 777 wrong for about as long as the powder has been around. I use the 3F exclusively in 357 and 38SPL but all my 38SPL shooting has been in .357s. YMMV. I like how the 3F stuff meters. If you are shooting 124gr bullets you would need 15 grs 777 to be at the bullet base with a normal COAL for the 38s. It is a "snappy" load but just fine unless you are in a competitive SASS match. Then I would load 13 grs powder and have a small bit of space under the bulle for a less recoiling load. The 777 loads are still way below what a full smokeless load pressure would be.

I also use 3F 777 in modest 12ga shotgun loads for Cowboy Action matches.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Which rifle for BP?
« Last post by Sedalia Dave on Yesterday at 07:44:52 PM »

I will tell you this though, I get more residue back in the action from racking the action as fast as I can shoot than I ever do on the range taking my time between shots.  There are speckles all over my '66s from black powder still smoking as I eject shells during a match.  I get as little as I do with my original Win 73 in .44 WCF when I am taking my time between shots (no hot unburned  powder flying...)

~Mako

My 1860 Henry and 66 both wear that patina on the receiver.

Here is a picture of still burning powder coming out of my shot shells as they are ejected from my 1887
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Which rifle for BP?
« Last post by Sedalia Dave on Yesterday at 07:34:42 PM »
With a 20" barrel I have found no need for lube cookies under the bullet.

I am shooting up the last of my vintage Black Dawg Cartridge Co 357s and 38 specials. Neither of which are using lube cookies or Big Lube bullets.

When I had a 92 with a 24" barrel those same cartridges ran out of lube at the 21.5" mark. A wet patch between stages was all I needed to keep it going.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Loading 777 in cartridges
« Last post by Sedalia Dave on Yesterday at 07:26:57 PM »
First question, is it 2F or 3F?

3F is for modern muzzle loaders only.
2F can be used in cartridges, shot shells and modern muzzle loaders.
Hodgdon does not recommend that any grade of 777 be used in antique firearms.

Load it to just shy of the base of the bullet. Hodgdon does not recommend compressing 777.

Link to Hodgdon's loading data for 777

https://hodgdonpowderco.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/cowboy-action1-1.pdf
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Tall Tales / Re: May we move on, for coffee and chat ?
« Last post by Delmonico on Yesterday at 07:16:49 PM »
Getting closer, Riley is hearing the thunder and told me, he has really taken getting aq real job seriously. ;D
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The Darksider's Den / Loading 777 in cartridges
« Last post by Bunk on Yesterday at 07:14:03 PM »
Found a pound of 777 and would like to use it in .38 Special with 124 grain bullets.
It is a bit hotter than Pyrodex or APP I am told.
My question is do you load like black powder to bullet base or like smokessomewhatless (ug) powder leaving some space in the case or some 777 and filler to base?.
Non snarky responses please I am a Gunpowder guy but you can't beat free.
Holding center
hitting occasionally
Bunk
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RATS / Re: New Model Vaquero
« Last post by DeaconKC on Yesterday at 07:13:00 PM »
I didn't win the Ruger, it was a swap.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Which rifle for BP?
« Last post by DeaconKC on Yesterday at 07:11:08 PM »
My 92 is not as fussy on 38 Special cases as a previous one, so using a 158 grain bullet feeds well. I have never shot bunnyphart loads, so I would use a proper load. Considering trying the 38s as my BP set up as I just got a stainless Vaquero and have a pair of Conversions to handle the BP stuff.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: How did we get these "Calibers"?
« Last post by Mako on Yesterday at 06:56:46 PM »
Coffinmaker(onewurd),
I know this is a rather personal question... but, what is your barrel length?

You too Abilene...

~Mako
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USFA CSS / Re: 38/40 serial number
« Last post by Buckaroo Lou on Yesterday at 05:59:08 PM »
I think what Dave T said is about right. Like him I am no expert. Pictures of the cylinder, front sight, ejector shroud cam, and hammer sure would help.
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