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No Trail Boss, what's close?
« on: July 06, 2022, 09:56:46 PM »
Looking for a powder that is similar to Trail Boss with a medium to high volume. Any suggestions?
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Re: No Trail Boss what's close?
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2022, 12:48:15 AM »
Well, nothing is exactly "similar" unless you stretch the definition.  But since TB isn't available, let's stretch.  Lee's website has a chart that lists the VMD, volume measure density, of most powders.  The higher the number, the fluffier.  TB is .2172 and nothing else is close, but the Clays and Red Dot are both higher than most at .14xx each.  I've always been very happy with Clay for CAS, mostly at minimum listed loadings in .44's and .45's for pistol  https://leeprecision.com/files/instruct/VMD.pdf

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Re: No Trail Boss what's close?
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2022, 01:02:51 AM »
Thank ya, kindly.   ;)
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Re: No Trail Boss, what's close?
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Re: No Trail Boss what's close?
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2022, 07:35:34 AM »
I've loaded many many rounds of 38 Spec, 44 Colt/Special, and 45 Colt with Red Dot over the years and have always had good luck and accuracy with it. I've never used Clays so can't speak for it but have read and been told by many who do use Clays that they like it. I've had excellent results with Hodgens Titegroup also over the years. Like it's reported "insensitive to position" within the case, esp for large brass like the 45 Colt and 45 ACP. Can't say what the 'fluffiness' mark on it is, it's closer to a ball powder vs flake.
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Re: No Trail Boss what's close?
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2022, 07:38:33 AM »
 :)  Aw Cummon  :)

APP is even better.  Just fill the case to bullet base (made a rhyme too).  Any Bullet, any bullet weight.  Load is the same.  APP to the base.  It's just simply PERFECT!!

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Re: No Trail Boss what's close?
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2022, 07:51:35 AM »
:)  Aw Cummon  :)

APP is even better.  Just fill the case to bullet base (made a rhyme too).  Any Bullet, any bullet weight.  Load is the same.  APP to the base.  It's just simply PERFECT!!

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Aw Coffin---One thing is even better than that wanna-be APP 20th/21st century chemical lab stuff---Good Ol BLACK POWDER that is tried and true over the centuries.  ;D ;D
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Re: No Trail Boss what's close?
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2022, 09:16:36 AM »
:)  Aw Cummon  :)

APP is even better.  Just fill the case to bullet base (made a rhyme too).  Any Bullet, any bullet weight.  Load is the same.  APP to the base.  It's just simply PERFECT!!

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I like the thought, but where does a person find any APP?

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Re: No Trail Boss what's close?
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2022, 10:25:27 AM »
I like the thought, but where does a person find any APP?
I think a lot of people have been buying it from Bullets By Scarlett, although I don't have her info.  But I recently ordered 10K primers from Natchez and since I was already paying hazmat and shipping I looked for some powder to add to the order and noticed they had Multi-Black, which is made by APP for Shooter's World.  Although my last can of APP lasted me 9 years  :D I went ahead and added some Multi-Black to the order just to have plus I'm getting low on real black.  They still have it in stock: https://www.natchezss.com/shooters-world-multi-black-1lb.html

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Re: No Trail Boss what's close?
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2022, 10:30:08 AM »
By the way, I only just noticed that Shooters World Multi Black has misspelled the word "ignition" on the label of the can!!  "Ingnition"  Bwaahaa!

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Re: No Trail Boss what's close?
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2022, 04:08:09 PM »
I think a lot of people have been buying it from Bullets By Scarlett, although I don't have her info.  But I recently ordered 10K primers from Natchez and since I was already paying hazmat and shipping I looked for some powder to add to the order and noticed they had Multi-Black, which is made by APP for Shooter's World.  Although my last can of APP lasted me 9 years  :D I went ahead and added some Multi-Black to the order just to have plus I'm getting low on real black.  They still have it in stock: https://www.natchezss.com/shooters-world-multi-black-1lb.html

I have enough of the real black, but not sure I want my wife to have the problems associated with real black if I go that way for the .38s that she shoots.

I think I do still have most of one pound of the "Jim Shocky" stuff.

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Re: No Trail Boss what's close?
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2022, 05:01:35 PM »
I have Trailboss, 2.5 can and a 1lb well "9oz" can , but I use in my Milsurps not for Cowboy rounds.
I have about 200 - 30/40 Krag, same in 3006, 303 Brit.  and 7.63 Mauser.
So, I'm good, till or if they import it again  :-\

Otherwise Tite group or RedDot for smokeless and Shockey's Gold or KIK for BP
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Re: No Trail Boss what's close?
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2022, 05:33:56 PM »
Made another depressing trip to my local gun shop today. The powder situation is dismal and the primer outlook seems worse.
I have a decent supply of the two smokeless powders and primers that I use, so I'm staying smokeless for 45 Colt in my SAAs and 1892 rifle. No worries, I'm  perfectly content with that.
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Re: No Trail Boss what's close?
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2022, 09:44:53 PM »
I have Trailboss, 2.5 can and a 1lb well "9oz" can , but I use in my Milsurps not for Cowboy rounds.
I have about 200 - 30/40 Krag, same in 3006, 303 Brit.  and 7.63 Mauser.
So, I'm good, till or if they import it again  :-\

Otherwise Tite group or RedDot for smokeless and Shockey's Gold or KIK for BP

I've never used Trail Boss in any of my MilSurp rifles using cast bullets, although have considered it. My cast loads for these rifles usually get Red Dot, 4227, 2400, and Acc 5744. All good reduced powder loadings. Use in 30/40 Krag, Springfields, K98k Mausers, Russian Mosin Nagan's, and Brit Enfield's.
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Re: No Trail Boss what's close?
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2022, 05:21:10 AM »
O3 with Trailboss @ 50 yards
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Re: No Trail Boss what's close?
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2022, 11:30:41 AM »
The best high volume powder is holy black
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Re: No Trail Boss what's close?
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2022, 09:58:34 PM »
Clays, Clay Dot and Red Dot are three of my handgun favorites. I use them in 38-40, 44-40, 45 colt, 45 Schofield. 45 Webley. I use VV Tin Star for my Krag and ‘06 lead loads and hopefully it will work in 6.5x55 Swede. I think Tin Star was supposed to be similar to TB but it’s not.
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Re: No Trail Boss what's close?
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2022, 08:38:57 AM »

To make things simple I have decided to use one powder for all my cowboy guns, pistol, rifle, and shotgun. The powder I chose is Red Dot and it does a fine job. I bought an eight-pound jug that should probably outlive me.
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Re: No Trail Boss what's close?
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2022, 09:30:47 AM »
Howdy,

When I started CAS, I was able to buy cheap ammo and save my brass (that tells you how long I have been at it). When I decided to start reloading, a very wise and respected local shooter suggested American Select. I use it for .38 and .45 and could use it for shotgun, but I use Clays (which I think I could use for my pistol ammo). I'm happy with the results. For what it's worth.

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Re: No Trail Boss what's close?
« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2022, 04:51:02 PM »

 :) Well Ha!!  ;)

I have also chosen One Powder for ALL of MY CAS needs.  Rifle, Pistol, and Shotgun.

APP.  APP bis geshund you betcha!!

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Re: No Trail Boss what's close?
« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2022, 05:11:18 PM »
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My question was answered in a previous comment. Carry on and I'll try to keep up! ;D
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