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The Leather Shop / Re: Does anyone know what happened to Trailrider Products (Littleton, Co)?
« Last post by Mako on April 12, 2024, 11:43:31 AM »
Quote from: Marshal Will Wingam on April 12, 2024, 08:54:48 AM
Ah, nothing better than new leather, Mako. Trailrider makes some first class holsters. If you can, post a photo or two after you get them.

Those I posted are his, he made those for me a long time ago. EXCELLENT work, I get a lot of compliments.  The new ones will probably loot very similar, just with a few extra areas poking out where the ejector housing rides.  The left holster won't even show that while being worn.

I had looked him up over a year ago and couldn't locate him again anywhere on the interweb.

Thank you, Will

~Mako
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The Powder Room - CAS reloading / Re: Antique loading tools
« Last post by Slamfire on April 12, 2024, 11:08:48 AM »
 Cool, thank you. I own a #4 Ideal w/ the bullet mould for the 40-60 WCF i bought years ago and i have loaded with it many times, old tools are just cool. I did have to make a depriming pin for it.

  coffee's ready,  Hootmix.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: A Poll about your bullets
« Last post by Mako on April 12, 2024, 09:23:51 AM »
Quote from: Cliff Fendley on April 12, 2024, 08:55:33 AM
31-115D is the 32-20 bullet that I designed and the late John Kort added to accurate catalog. I really need to get Tom to list it as the improved 32-20 black powder bullet.

Cliff,
Yes you need to get it listed that way, so people will find it in all of the clutter.

As for John, I looked the other day and I think there is only one attributed to him.  You might want to still give him attribution even though it is a improved version.  If the folks who did the improvement want to be listed you could say "Improved by XXXX".  There are also variations on his .44 bullet on there that need to give attribution.  A lot of people would gravitate towards those designs if they knew those were his.  John contributed a lot and never asked for very little, he deserves the recognition..

I can't believe how many total designs are in the catalog now, it's insane, how would anyone choose?

Thank you for sharing this.  One of the things I want to do is create a list for us we can put in the Dark Arts section that will list the successful bullets suitable for BP.  John never had the success he wanted with the Mav Dutchman which I believe actually started his design work looking for an accurate long range .44 WCF bullet.  I'm not sure we can get a Mav Dutchman analog unless we get Lee or someone else to do it again.

And I agree with you on the bearing surface at the base.  If you have access to older .38 Grease wagon bullets you will see they had a shorter bearing which "grew" longer at some point of time.  Further more the Mold we could buy was not exactly the same as the original design, however I like the smaller diameter nose on the bullets I was getting 10 years ago and 2 years ago.  They seem to feed well, maybe it's not an issue I have never run tests with the different variations side by side.

Thank you again for adding this.

~Mako
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The Darksider's Den / Re: A Poll about your bullets
« Last post by Mako on April 12, 2024, 09:07:46 AM »
Quote from: AntiqueSledMan on April 12, 2024, 05:40:12 AM
Mako,
...The problem I see with modifying an allready built collet is holding it while machining,
they want to spread on you because of the slits but this can be overcome.
AntiqueSledMan.

Sledman,
Yep, I already had a plan to stabilize the collet while machining, my buddy and i who collaborate on machining projects had already come up with a plan to hold the collet by forcing a core of aluminum in to the center of the collet and then machining a hollow aluminum cylinder (to fit around the outside of the collet body) and splitting it in half to go around Lee collet.  Of course the secret is that you can't spring the collet open more than about a half a thousandth and you can't run your core plug up into to the area where the machining will take place.  To further complicate matters the bore of the Lee collet is not perfectly cylindrical on the one we took apart.  My friend insisted we would have to true the bore up a bit first. probably run a reamer in it and then lap it.  The problem there is I would have to buy another reamer and lap (not too expensive but it keeps adding up) , nether one of us had one close enough in size (I can't remember what it even was now). I had suggested the I.D. tool post grinder instead of single pointing it on the lathe since you can limit the deflection of the pieces we would be grinding because there is so little pressure. Also the hardness of the collet wouldn't be a factor, it probably would be while reaming and I'm not even sure we could do that and clamp the collet firmly even with the split halves.  It just kept getting more complicated.  I can see why you chose to make a collet.

I have another problem though, I "started" this project at least 15 years ago.  My buddy has moved and is extremely old now and I have moved 3 times since then and am just now getting my shop in order.  I still don't where half of the things are, I had a shipping container full of just my shop and office items not counting furniture.  I'm not even sure where that collet is, I might just buy another.

I really appreciate your picture and creativity.  I'm sure if I showed the pictures to John (my buddy) he might think it was my set up with the RCBS and everything.

I have one last question...what were you doing with that .22LR cartridge in the picture with the tube cutter?

I also believe the Per'fesser had the right of it above about the rotary crimpers.  Factory products often use things like that because they are faster and many times more uniform than what we do on our own loading benches.  I toured a Federal plant once and they were putting cannelures on .38 Spl cases intended for wadcutters, they were FAST and didn't cause any imperfections on the surface.  However that one photo definitely has the evidence of a slip collet being used to crimp it.

~Mako
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The Darksider's Den / Re: A Poll about your bullets
« Last post by Cliff Fendley on April 12, 2024, 08:55:33 AM »
31-115D is the 32-20 bullet that I designed and the late John Kort added to accurate catalog. I really need to get Tom to list it as the improved 32-20 black powder bullet.

The original one that John designed has sold a bunch because it was listed for such but this redesign we did works a bit better.

I moved the lube groove forward increasing the base driving band thickness giving the bullet better balance and the overall length and crimp groove is optimal for best feeding from the Uberti toggle length rifles. These slight changes worked perfect because in my experience the 31-115D bullet outshoots the 31-110C version that John originally had Tom make us.
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The Leather Shop / Re: Does anyone know what happened to Trailrider Products (Littleton, Co)?
« Last post by Marshal Will Wingam on April 12, 2024, 08:54:48 AM »
Ah, nothing better than new leather, Mako. Trailrider makes some first class holsters. If you can, post a photo or two after you get them.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Looking for .360 BP bullets
« Last post by DeaconKC on April 12, 2024, 08:28:35 AM »
And thanks to you also Reverend.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: A Poll about your bullets
« Last post by Coffinmaker on April 12, 2024, 08:00:08 AM »

My personal favorite bullet for my 45s is called "The Barnstormer."  Developed by Adirondack Jack some Lustrum ago.  The bullet was intended to put those CAS shooters who preferred the .45, on the same competitive level as those who preferred to play with the .38.

I apologize, as I am On The Road and can't submit an appropriate photograph and have never been able to post on this forum anyway, but the bullet resembles a really large Wad Cutter with a radically DEEP hollow base.  Drops from a mold at about 130Gr.  I believe AJ had two or maybe three sets of blocks made.  There was a fellow on the SASS Wire who picked up casting the bullet commercially when "others" gave up marketing it.  I don't know what happened to the other two sets of blocks.  The bullet is notoriously difficult to cast.  I will try and get a photo when I get home Saturday and have one of our Mods post it for me.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: A Poll about your bullets
« Last post by AntiqueSledMan on April 12, 2024, 05:40:12 AM »
Mako,

I do work on, collect and restore Antique Snowmobiles, 1968 and older.
It's been my obstion ever since they were new.
My son & I actually take them on trail rides and race with them,
along with our many friend in the Antique Snowmobile Club of America.

And yes, that was the Cylinder Press which I had built during after hours at work.
Almost all of the material came from the scrap barrel at work,
I think the ram was the only purchased part, a 1/2" ground rod.

The problem I see with modifying an allready built collet is holding it while machining,
they want to spread on you because of the slits but this can be overcome.
The issue of building a new one like I did, they need to be heat treated so they spring back after crimping.
I used a piece of 17mm O2 Drill Rod for the collet. I did all the machining before cutting the slits.
Then before heat treating it, I put it on a mandrel and wrapped it with mechanics wire tied to hold it against the mandrel.
It was a real pain, but I didn't want it to warp. I tried one without heat treating and after a few rounds it didn't spring back.

Looking at the 3 cartridges in the picture, one can see the ".44 Colt & Remington" was crimped in a collet.
Maybe the rest of the cartridges were actually rolled to creat the rolled crimp.
It would be possible to do so with a tubing cutter, but I think this would get old very quickly.

As far as re-using stuff already made for something else, it just seamed the way to go.
Why go through the troubles of building the same piece for a different project when it's right there?
I also used the cylinder press as an extraction tool for a little swaging die I built.
Somebody had posted a picture of the Taurus Hollow Base (unavailable now), so I attempted to copy them.
I made a swaging die to swage a .375 round ball into the 36 caliber hollow based conical.
I needed a way to get the final product out of the die, as I didn't like pounding on it with a hammer.
In the picture below the Taurus Hollow Base on the left, with my copy on the right.
I will say the one downside of retirement is the loss of the equipment we were allowed to use.

AntiqueSledMan.
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The Powder Room - CAS reloading / Re: Antique loading tools
« Last post by Hair Trigger Jim on April 11, 2024, 10:40:46 PM »
I love that site.  Very interesting with lots of pictures.  I hope the information there never gets lost.

I just read (reread, I think) the page on the old Ideal lubricator, and it makes me want to start using mine.
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