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The Longbranch / Re: Colt unfired, should I???
« Last post by Rye Miles on Yesterday at 08:14:52 AM »
Reminds me of the exchange in "Dances With Wolves" when Dunbar gave Kicking Bird a pipe he made.

"How does it smoke?"
"I don't know, I never tried it."


Enjoy it, it's just a Colt, after all.

You're a little late, I've shot it at 3 matches already! LOL  ;D
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Gunsmithing / Re: Increasing the life of Italian revolver hand springs
« Last post by Pettifogger on October 16, 2021, 11:29:09 PM »
Uberti and Pietta switched to coil springs and plungers for their hands years ago.  If I had an old one I would follow Coffinmakers advice.  A simple and permanent fix.
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Gunsmithing / Re: Increasing the life of Italian revolver hand springs
« Last post by Coffinmaker on October 16, 2021, 08:26:17 PM »

 :)  Well Now   ;)

Nah.  None of the above.  Yup, there it is.  Worrying about Italian, Colt, or USFA flat hand springs is/was a waste of time.  As a practicing Gunplumer, I needed instant, lasting results.  Ergo, I just removed the failure prone hand springs completely, drilled the frame and installed Ruger style Coil Spring and Plunger.  Forever fix for the Hand Spring.  Although, I did the exact same method explained by GeezerD.

I also found Colt, Uberti and USFA Trigger/Bolt springs to be prone to fail.  The choices were tune them (they are way over-sprung) or . . . replace them.  I found the Trigger/Bolt springs from Pietta SAs to be most excellent.  Used the Pietta springs in all of my Single Action work.  My only lament, the PIETTA SA Trigger/Bolt springs won't work in Pietta Cap Guns.  Trigger side is too short.  Bummer.  Just have to tune the OEM Cap Gun T/B springs.

Of course, now that I am permanently unemployed (retirement is wonderful) I no longer have to be concerned (snicker snicker).  Just make my personal guns run you betcha.

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Gunsmithing / Re: Increasing the life of Italian revolver hand springs
« Last post by Niederlander on October 16, 2021, 06:53:40 PM »
The best method I've found is to replace them with Colt springs whenever possible.
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Gunsmithing / Re: Increasing the life of Italian revolver hand springs
« Last post by Kent Shootwell on October 16, 2021, 06:40:59 PM »
I heartily agree with the Professor! Heat treatment of steel is a science and to get predictable results one must know what steel is being used. Although I’ve made a fair number of springs to include flat, V and coil types I haven’t broken very many. Being both lazy and poorly educated I generally use steel meant for springs and try to hit the numbers of time and temperature. What the old timers did with limited equipment was threw pasted on knowledge and trial and error. Impressive but not an easy learning curve.
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Gunsmithing / Re: Increasing the life of Italian revolver hand springs
« Last post by Professor Marvel on October 16, 2021, 03:19:46 PM »
This is a simple method used by quite a few folks, but the problem arises that the tempering temperature and length of time held there, will vary depending on type of oil used and amount of oil used.
A LOT of muzzleloader Smith's use this method with good results!

However,
If one uses "too little" oil, the temperature is too low for the steel when the oil starts to burn.
"Too much" and the part might heat too hot.
"wrong oil" and we'll, your temperature is off.... It depends on the flashpoint temp of that oil....
If you wait until the oil burn off, that changes things

And of course "it depends" ™ on the steel used.

When making springs , consistency is important!
One of the more constant ways for tempering is to use the lead pot. And since we all cast lead bullets (don't we?) Everyone "should" have a lead pot and a lead thermometer....

Soaking the the springs in the molten lead is very consistent, if one knows the melting point of their alloy, and uses the thermometer to keep the temp there....

Of course, this is from the guy who keeps breaking springs, so, take it that into account....

Yhs
Prof spring breaker
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NCOWS / Saddle Bags
« Last post by Johnny McCrae on October 16, 2021, 12:59:30 PM »
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Gunsmithing / Re: New cylinder,,teeth to long?
« Last post by willy on October 16, 2021, 12:27:52 PM »
Yes it does have the removable bushing,,The teeth on the new cylinder are .01 longer than the old cylinder,,all other measurements are the same,,Also the teeth on new cylinder come to a sharp point where as the original cylinder has more of a blunt shape on the teeth.
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Gunsmithing / Re: New cylinder,,teeth to long?
« Last post by Coffinmaker on October 16, 2021, 10:41:35 AM »

 :)  willy   ;)

Does this cylinder have a removable bushing ??

Yes, you can work the star down, but advised, you may well screw up the headspace in the process.

Play Safe out There
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Gunsmithing / New cylinder,,teeth to long?
« Last post by willy on October 16, 2021, 10:04:34 AM »
Converting a Uberti to 44 special,,Bought new cylinder and it will not fit in frame ,, tried fitting it in a Uberti cattleman revolver and a new El patron revolver,, It was a no go on both,,After measuring everything ,,the only thing different is the ratchet teeth are longer on the new cylinder,,So before I start taking a file to it,,Is this a feasible solution?
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