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Tall Tales / Re: April 1, Fooling around making the coffee & toast
« Last post by Major 2 on Today at 12:03:39 PM »
It's Home, and just completed the Rebate incentive  ;)  $50 bucks is $50  ;)

You are present for the case opening, though not the virgin opening (did that inspection was at the LGS first)
The Altamont supplied grip fit my hand quite well, however I may get these Altamont's anyway.
I have a remaining Xmas Amazon gift card, so they would be in effect free  ;D

Next is to load and shoot it some... then CCW
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:) Abilene  ;)

Give Hoof Hearted aka; Gary Barnes a shout.  Last I knew, not only was he still doing conversions, but also offered to line barrels.  I two was tempted to give Gary a shout to have my .36 conversions lined to shoot .357ish bullets until playing with Hollow Base Wadcutters showed them to be perfectly adequate.  They may not "look" the part, but Who Cares??  We ain't playin re-inacting in our fun little game....are we??

Oh. Most forgot, with OEM bores I can switch back to Percussion in about 30 seconds and be shooting EPP UG - 36 Bullets.  Can't do that with lined 357 bores dontcha know.

Thanks, Coffinmaker, I will have to check with him.  I do not have a percussion cylinder nor rammer for this pistol and don't see myself getting one, so I don't mind losing the ability of using it as percussion.
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The link works for me on both laptop and Android phone.
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Last time I was in Baltimore I swung by the grocery store to pick up some Tastycake pies and had to pay .05 each for the 2 paper bags I needed. Baltimore County’s silliness. FYI.

Gotta pay for the Bridge some how  ::)
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 :) Abilene  ;)

Give Hoof Hearted aka; Gary Barnes a shout.  Last I knew, not only was he still doing conversions, but also offered to line barrels.  I two was tempted to give Gary a shout to have my .36 conversions lined to shoot .357ish bullets until playing with Hollow Base Wadcutters showed them to be perfectly adequate.  They may not "look" the part, but Who Cares??  We ain't playin re-inacting in our fun little game....are we??

Oh. Most forgot, with OEM bores I can switch back to Percussion in about 30 seconds and be shooting EPP UG - 36 Bullets.  Can't do that with lined 357 bores dontcha know.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: .45 Cowboy Special
« Last post by Coffinmaker on Today at 11:22:47 AM »

 :)Hey !!  ;)

As has been alluded to above, there can be/are certain relationships that have to be consider when one is selecting one's particular projectile.  Principle of course, the the relationship of the Cylinder Chamber Throat to Bore (groove diameter).  This comes especially to the forefront when considering lead projectiles.  With out knowing the specific bore diameter, bullet selection becomes a "crap shoot"

Also of huge importance are the chamber Throats.  Primary purpose of the throat is to maintain bullet alignment from the cartridge to the bore.  The problem enters when the throat is sub bullet/bore diameter.  After one determines Bore, then a projectile, half a thou or a full thou over groove diameter is recommended.  Then the Throat should be the diameter of the projectile perhaps plus half a thou.  If the throat is sub-size, it will first act as a tiny "bore obstruction" boosting chamber pressure and increasing "felt recoil."  Then the Throat swages the bullet to that sub size and the bullet just kind of rattles down the bore, increasing leading and contributing to inaccuracy.  Usually.

So how is it then, when we swage a Round Ball down in the Chamber, well sub bore diameter, the stupid thing will group just fine.  Shooting just as accurate as most suppository shooters.  Atz Oxymoron.  Really.  So, why don't we just skip ALL of this super technical fecal matter and just load Roun Ball in our Suppository Shooters???

Harrumpff
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STORM / Re: 44 Colt to 44 Special
« Last post by nativeshootist on Today at 10:44:57 AM »
here's a open top with a 44 american conversion. https://clarksantiques.com/hand-guns/colt-open-top-and-rig/
I think its viable, a good gunsmith or machinist can do it. least for the frame area.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: .45 Cowboy Special
« Last post by Mako on Today at 10:08:32 AM »
My 625 smith [.452 boolits] is very accurate. When I bought a beautiful used 45colt Anaconda I found that it patterned instead of grouped. Why I got a deal. After much experimenting I eventually discovered that .454 boolits would group, any other diameter would pattern.

Ed,
Five questions:
  • Have you measured the diameter of the exit throats on the 625?  I'm curious as to the size.
  • And, do you know what general date the revolver was produced/purchased?
  • What diameter bullets were you trying in the Colt before you settled on Ø.454?
  • I'm assuming those were lead bullets at the Ø.454 diameter, what weight and bullet shape?
  • Have you measured the diameter of the Anaconda's chamber throats?

I am not a SAA expert, but I do have one 1st Generation .45 Colt made in 1896.  The only other SAA pattern pistolas I have are a pair of USFAs in .38 spl the kids used.  Too bad they are out of business now.

This I do know:
  • The Gen 1 SAA  used Ø.454 bullets (Lead of course)
  • Gen 1 ran through 1940 
  • Gen 1 rifling groove diameter was Ø.454
  • In 1956 with the advent of the Gen 2 the groove diameter was changed to Ø.452 (some say Ø.451) 
  • There have been discussions and arguments by both collector and shooters over whether or not all Gen 2 cylinders have smaller throat diameters to accommodate the new smaller diameter bores.
  • Gen 3 models began in the late '70s, again I don't know the groove diameter.  (Ø.451 groove diameters?)  Main difference was in the barrel threads and the cylinder bushing.
  • There really isn't a 4th Gen of SAA, though some people will call it that because they went back to the removable cylinder bushing, Colt's doesn't differentiate and the collectors usually don't.
Now to the Anaconda, I beg your patience, but I have a short story:
I suspect they were/are still using some of the same (old) tooling and equipment to drill and ream the cylinders for both the SAA and the Anaconda.  In 1998 during a tour of the revolver line they were using a multiple station (at least 3 to my memory) vertical boring/reaming machine (probably custom built for Colt's) with 6 spindles per station. They were using it as a vertical drilling and reaming machine.  It was ancient, it still had the pulleys on it to allow it to be run from overhead shafts.  But, I was told by the accompanying engineer  the machine had been "modernized" after WW2 to have it's own electric motor.  I remember it well because they were using it to only drill one hole at a time, and after the 6 chambers were drilled it was passed to another worker to the right and then he reamed the chambers one at a time.  It was set up for the Anaconda, but I was told they also did SAAs on it.  I remember because of the inefficiency and I mentioned that they could use "DREAMERS" if they were only roughing the chamber and reaming the throat.  I was told by the worker on the machine very forcefully, "I DRILL, he reams".  I was waved off by the engineer I was with and the union steward who was with us began protesting me being there.

So that story was just to let you know I wouldn't be surprised if the tooling is shared between those two revolvers still and further more it wouldn't surprise me if the cylinder throats were Ø.454 or actually larger, which is why your revolver was more accurate with that size bullet.

So, the problem with not knowing the actual groove diameter or the throat diameters really crop up with jacketed bullets.  I don't know of any Ø.454 Jacketed bullets readily available for retail purchase, so you will be limited to Ø.452 max pistol bullets (not .45 Rifle bullets).  The pressures can spike when forcing a jacketed bullet through a small bore or even a small throat.  I don't think you will have any problem with Ø.454 bullets in a pistol with a .452 rifling groove and if that is what it likes then that is what you should shoot.  However I suspect your cylinder throats are probably Ø.454 or larger.

The S&W M1950 was a target pistol used by even the Army shooting team for the ".45 Caliber Pistol" portion of the Bullseye matches and Colts in .38 Special were commonly used in the '50s and '60s for the "Centerfire" Portion.  And, as I reported in a post above, many 1950 and 1955 (25s) had/have Ø.454 throats and they are very accurate.  However those match pistols were required at the time to shoot ball ammo and it was Ø.451 and they are very accurate.  There are a lot of factors and some weapons just like a certain weight or diameter.

I hope I didn't muddle too much or bore you.  Good shooting to you and if you have those measurements it would help me as a student of all things that go "bang".

~Mako

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I shoot brass from Rocky Mountain Cartridge.   I have a side by side, they work great.   I also appreciate anything I can reload using a stick with a nail, a mallet and another stick.  Use 80 grains of ffg black powder, card, wad, lead shot, and card.   Usually top the card with some white glue.   
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