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It's Time.
« on: May 25, 2022, 05:41:33 PM »
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Re: It's Time.
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2022, 06:15:52 PM »
Against my better judgement, I'll ask...time for what?
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Re: It's Time.
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2022, 07:29:31 PM »
For you to hand over your guns!!  They are bad news and we law abiding citizens should pay for crimes committed by evil people with our safety and freedoms.
I'm sure it was against the law for the 18 yo to bring a weapon on school property but apparently he didn't care .  .  .  that's the problem with laws .  .  .  they only work when you follow them .  .  .   criminals don't care about laws .  .  .   He probably did know that the school was a "gun free zone" .  .  . 

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Re: It's Time.
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2022, 11:22:42 PM »
Pinellas Park High School.
Frontier Middle School.
Heath High School.
Pearl High School.
Thurston High School.
Columbine High School.
Heritage High School.
Deming Middle School.
Fort Gibson Middle School.
Buell Elementary School.
Lake Worth Middle School.
University of Arkansas.
Junipero Serra High School.
Santana High School.
Bishop Neumann High School.
Pacific Lutheran University.
Santana High School.
Granite Hills High School.
Lew Wallace High School.
Martin Luther King, Jr. High School.
Appalachian School of Law.
Washington High School.
Conception Abbey.
Benjamin Tasker Middle School.
University of Arizona.
Lincoln High School.
John McDonogh High School.
Red Lion Area Junior High School.
Case Western Reserve University.
Rocori High School.
Ballou High School.
Randallstown High School.
Bowen High School.
Red Lake Senior High School.
Harlan Community Academy High School.
Campbell County High School.
Milwee Middle School.
Roseburg High School.
Pine Middle School.
Essex Elementary School.
Duquesne University.
Platte Canyon High School.
Weston High School.
West Nickel Mines School.
Joplin Memorial Middle School.
Henry Foss High School.
Compton Centennial High School.
Virginia Tech.
Success Tech Academy.
Miami Carol City Senior High School.
Hamilton High School.
Louisiana Technical College.
Mitchell High School.
E.O. Green Junior High School.
Northern Illinois University.
Lakota Middle School.
Knoxville Central High School.
Willoughby South High School.
Henry Ford High School.
University of Central Arkansas.
Dillard High School.
Dunbar High School.
Hampton University.
Harvard College.
Larose-Cut Off Middle School.
International Studies Academy.
Skyline College.
Discovery Middle School.
University of Alabama.
DeKalb School.
Deer Creek Middle School.
Ohio State University.
Mumford High School.
University of Texas.
Kelly Elementary School.
Marinette High School.
Aurora Central High School.
Millard South High School.
Martinsville West Middle School.
Worthing High School.
Millard South High School.
Highlands Intermediate School.
Cape Fear High School.
Chardon High School.
Episcopal School of Jacksonville.
Oikos University.
Hamilton High School.
Perry Hall School.
Normal Community High School.
University of South Alabama.
Banner Academy South.
University of Southern California.
Sandy Hook Elementary School.
Apostolic Revival Center Christian School.
Taft Union High School.
Osborn High School.
Stevens Institute of Business and Arts.
Hazard Community and Technical College.
Chicago State University.
Lone Star College-North.
Cesar Chavez High School.
Price Middle School.
University of Central Florida.
New River Community College.
Grambling State University.
Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
Ossie Ware Mitchell Middle School.
Ronald E. McNair Discovery Academy.
North Panola High School.
Carver High School.
Agape Christian Academy.
Sparks Middle School.
North Carolina A&T State University.
Stephenson High School.
Brashear High School.
West Orange High School.
Arapahoe High School.
Edison High School.
Liberty Technology Magnet High School.
Hillhouse High School.
Berrendo Middle School.
Purdue University.
South Carolina State University.
Los Angeles Valley College.
Charles F. Brush High School.
University of Southern California.
Georgia Regents University.
Academy of Knowledge Preschool.
Benjamin Banneker High School.
D. H. Conley High School.
East English Village Preparatory Academy.
Paine College.
Georgia Gwinnett College.
John F. Kennedy High School.
Seattle Pacific University.
Reynolds High School.
Indiana State University.
Albemarle High School.
Fern Creek Traditional High School.
Langston Hughes High School.
Marysville Pilchuck High School.
Florida State University.
Miami Carol City High School.
Rogers State University.
Rosemary Anderson High School.
Wisconsin Lutheran High School.
Frederick High School.
Tenaya Middle School.
Bethune-Cookman University.
Pershing Elementary School.
Wayne Community College.
J.B. Martin Middle School.
Southwestern Classical Academy.
Savannah State University.
Harrisburg High School.
Umpqua Community College.
Northern Arizona University.
Texas Southern University.
Tennessee State University.
Winston-Salem State University.
Mojave High School.
Lawrence Central High School.
Franklin High School.
Muskegon Heights High School.
Independence High School.
Madison High School.
Antigo High School.
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Jeremiah Burke High School.
Alpine High School.
Townville Elementary School.
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Union Middle School.
Mueller Park Junior High School.
West Liberty-Salem High School.
University of Washington.
King City High School.
North Park Elementary School.
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Freeman High School.
Mattoon High School.
Rancho Tehama Elementary School.
Aztec High School.
Wake Forest University.
Italy High School.
NET Charter High School.
Marshall County High School.
Sal Castro Middle School.
Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School
Great Mills High School
Central Michigan University
Huffman High School
Frederick Douglass High School
Forest High School
Highland High School
Dixon High School
Santa Fe High School
Noblesville West Middle School
University of North Carolina Charlotte
STEM School Highlands Ranch
Edgewood High School
Palm Beach Central High School
Providence Career & Technical Academy
Fairley High School (school bus)
Canyon Springs High School
Dennis Intermediate School
Florida International University
Central Elementary School
Cascade Middle School
Davidson High School
Prairie View A & M University
Altascocita High School
Central Academy of Excellence
Cleveland High School
Robert E. Lee High School
Cheyenne South High School
Grambling State University
Blountsville Elementary School
Holmes County, Mississippi (school bus)
Prescott High School
College of the Mainland
Wynbrooke Elementary School
UNC Charlotte
Riverview Florida (school bus)
Second Chance High School
Carman-Ainsworth High School
Williwaw Elementary School
Monroe Clark Middle School
Central Catholic High School
Jeanette High School
Eastern Hills High School
DeAnza High School
Ridgway High School
Reginald F. Lewis High School
Saugus High School
Pleasantville High School
Waukesha South High School
Oshkosh High School
Catholic Academy of New Haven
Bellaire High School
North Crowley High School
McAuliffe Elementary School
South Oak Cliff High School
Texas A&M University-Commerce
Sonora High School
Western Illinois University
Oxford High School
Robb Elementary School

yeah its time -----put a fence around the school (most have em already anyways) one entry point, automated scanner at the gate, security guard that stays awake, nobody gets in or out unless they scan clean for metal objects, jeez they been doin it in airports for twenty years - that thing will pick up a set of car keys or a wristwatch  - this aint hard folks. in the overall scheme of things its not a big expense
the thing about politicians and buracrats - nobody could possibly be that stoopid so what they do must be deliberate................................. 

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Re: It's Time.
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2022, 08:19:45 AM »
It's time the student's / children in this country get the same amount of protection our congress has provided for themselves . Armed guards and security quality fencing , metal detectors ect. Our government funds billions of dollars to other countries for their security . It's Time we demand that the children in our country are protected . Most people in this country have No Idea what these children have gone through . In the City of Uvalde Tx . a city I know very well ! The children of Uvalde  even before this shooting ,  can not even play in their own yard's without a parent or guardian standing watch over them with a firearm , because the city has been  overrun with illegal aliens and these illegal's are on the citizens of Uvalde   properties , under their houses , hiding in their outbuildings wherever they can . Law Enforcement automobile chasing Cartel / Smugglers  are an every day occurrence here .   It's Past Time something is done and more law's taking away  legal gun owner rights is not the fix for this problem  .    If you want to help   Call your representative and demand our schools are Hardened !!!!!  ,,,DT

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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2022, 08:37:55 AM »
Get back to basics. This guy was a drop out that didn’t have enough ambition to have a drivers license. He had a credit card to buy a couple of thousand dollars of guns and gear and plenty of time on the internet. If he had a full time job and some responsibilities to occupy his time with less time on the internet with other wacko people that might help. How about some adults to be aware of what he was doing?
My father, myself, my wife, our son all grew up with unsecured guns in the house. What we didn’t have was the internet and plenty of time to stare at social media. None of us or anyone I knew shot strangers.
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Re: It's Time.
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2022, 09:10:49 AM »
Guns that are capable of mass murder have been prevalent in this country for well over a century. You could buy a gun C.O.D. from Sears Roebuck & Co, and many people did. Growing up in a small, rural town I remember that every pickup truck in town (including those in the high school parking lot) had a well stocked rifle rack, and most vehicles weren't even kept locked. We had plenty of fist fights but it never entered our mind to go get our gun.
So, what's changed ?, because it's not the availability,  or access to, deadly firearms. 
I'm not interested in debating "gun control " until someone can honestly answer that question.  It's far easier for politicians and talking heads to attack guns than admit to, and deal with, the obvious social decay.
Until that honest debate occurs (if ever), it's time to give as much attentionand money to protecting children in school as we do to protecting movie stars, sports stars, politicians, airports, concert venues, etc.
Prayers to the families that have lost loved ones. My heart aches.
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Re: It's Time.
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2022, 09:34:46 AM »
It is time for the teachers and administrators to take responsibility. While the students are IN the school building, and IN the class room, those teachers ARE responsible for not just educating, but more importantly, ARE responsible for the safety and well being of the children. If the teachers need to be armed to perform those duties, then they should be armed. If a teacher does not, or will not accept that responsibility, then they are NOT qualified to be a teacher.

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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2022, 09:54:15 AM »
I’ve always believed that allowing willing trained teachers to qualify with and carry sidearms would harden the schools enough to make them safe along with enhanced security on the actual buildings. These cowardly killers would think twice before attacking a school knowing that there were multiple armed staff. A teacher that is willing to die uselessly to protect her students should be able to kill to protect them. A single resource officer is pretty much useless for this kind of domestic terrorism. Also the national age to legally buy any firearm should be 21, same as alcohol. Making it harder to get a firearm might prevent some of these terrible events. A serious background check might have exposed this angry unemployed unlicensed dropout as the ticking time bomb that he was. Whether he would have invested the time and expense to buy a stolen gun and ammo who knows. Another sad day in America with 21 lives ended too soon.
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Re: It's Time.
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2022, 12:48:35 PM »
As a retired LEO I have to add another thought to this exchange. I've heard two reports on the news about how long it took law enforcement officers to enter the building. One said 40 minutes and the other report said 1 hour.

This makes me ashamed of my former profession. What the (expletive deleted) were they waiting for. Instructions? Back up? Screw that. The first officer there should have gone in and confronted the bad guy, then solved the problem. If they were afraid to do that they should have laid their badges on the hood of their cars and walked home. Cowards!

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Re: It's Time.
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2022, 02:04:41 PM »
It is time for the teachers and administrators to take responsibility. While the students are IN the school building, and IN the class room, those teachers ARE responsible for not just educating, but more importantly, ARE responsible for the safety and well being of the children. If the teachers need to be armed to perform those duties, then they should be armed. If a teacher does not, or will not accept that responsibility, then they are NOT qualified to be a teacher.

We have already maneuvered them into being Nurses, Mothers, Nutritionists, Babysitters, Moral Guardians, Psychologists . . . and now Marksmen? Are we going to pay them the equivalent salary of all those job titles? What they signed on for was to TEACH our young.
No wonder Teachers are frustrated and leaving the profession in droves and not having replacements waiting in the wings.
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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2022, 04:17:08 PM »
As a retired LEO I have to add another thought to this exchange. I've heard two reports on the news about how long it took law enforcement officers to enter the building. One said 40 minutes and the other report said 1 hour.

This makes me ashamed of my former profession. What the (expletive deleted) were they waiting for. Instructions? Back up? Screw that. The first officer there should have gone in and confronted the bad guy, then solved the problem. If they were afraid to do that they should have laid their badges on the hood of their cars and walked home. Cowards!

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This is about what happened at Columbine. Police were ordered NOT to try to enter the building before SWAT got there!

But identifying potential unstable individuals is the key to preventing such things before they happen.  Mental health in this country is miserable, especially where kids are concerned! There were signs this character was off the rails. But either his acquaintances didn't or wouldn't alert their parents or LEO, or they were ignored.  Just this morning, there were threats of violence at two schools in the metro-Denver area. Police took action and the individuals both jeuvenals were arrested and the threats averted! It can be done and must be!  More gun laws will not stop the carnage. There are too many ways for illegal availability to happen!
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2022, 07:41:47 AM »
We have already maneuvered them into being Nurses, Mothers, Nutritionists, Babysitters, Moral Guardians, Psychologists . . . and now Marksmen? Are we going to pay them the equivalent salary of all those job titles? What they signed on for was to TEACH our young.
No wonder Teachers are frustrated and leaving the profession in droves and not having replacements waiting in the wings.

If your children are threatened at home, Won't their parents protect them? With whatever means necessary? When your children are at school, shouldn't the teacher assume the responsibility of the parents?

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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2022, 11:50:53 AM »
This is about what happened at Columbine. Police were ordered NOT to try to enter the building before SWAT got there!

I know but I'm old (and old fashion) enough to remember when a street cop was supposed to take care of problems. Being on a sheriff's department we were often scattered enough we sometimes didn't even have back-up. You were expected to handle the problem yourself.

I don't have anything against SWAT teams, I trained them as the department's firearms instructor. But toward the end of my career I saw departments all over the country starting to depend on SWAT teams for everything, from barricaded subjects to serving warrants. Good grief!

When I was a detective and the county attorney issued a warrant on a case I had worked, I was expected to serve it, i.e. make the arrest myself. I usually took someone else from the detective bureau but I still served my own warrants. Today beat cops are little more than secretaries who write reports and tickets. Oh wait, they don't do much traffic enforcement these days either, at least not around here.

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Re: It's Time.
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2022, 12:21:48 PM »
Frugal,
what we do freely as parents is not the same as what others do by hire.
But I like your declaration about wouldn't a concerned parent do anything necessary to protect their children . . .

So, I am amazed at how many of my fellow gun owners are avoiding or deflecting away from the truth. The general population does not need to own modern military-type firepower.
To hunt with? Sorry but screw you, Iowa. That’s just trying to legitimize and camouflage what has been proven in the public mind to be their notorious primary use, - mass murder.
Frankly, I believe there’s a need to be proactive and rein in the proliferation of modern military-type firepower circulating within this country ourselves.

If we don’t then what is going to happen is that eventually every friend, family member and sympathizer of these victims of horrendous shootings (:see the above list of some 250 school shootings. And counting . . .) are going to go after the firearm manufacturers in a more determined effort until the industry gives up and stops making those firearms because it isn’t worth the candle. And this concerted groundswell will be impossible to defeat and overpower by any combined effort of the NRA, gun lobbyists and politicians. (You and I both know that what the politicians desire, more than anything else, is to hold onto power. When the wind blows hard enough, they’ll bend with the breeze.)

These actions will reduce, by attrition, the concentration of modern military-style firearms circulating within the population and make them no longer easily attainable.
It will also permanently establish the tenet that ownership of those weapons is deemed repugnant and socially unacceptable, and make a pariah out of any who advocate their ownership.


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Re: It's Time.
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2022, 01:37:10 PM »
Sorry John, I can’t agree that the object is the problem. He used a car, ban cars, he used the internet, ban the internet, he used a credit card. What is painfully obviously it’s the person not the object.
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Re: It's Time.
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2022, 01:43:21 PM »
I usually stay out of these discussions because it is logic versus emotion. 

There's thousands AR-15's in the hands of law abiding citizens for every one that gets used in a crime.  If future sales are banned, then potential mass murderers will just walk into schools with a legal pump shotgun and/or pistol and do just as much damage.  I do agree that there is no "need" for these types of guns over other types of more traditional firearms for the average citizen, but that gets back to blaming the "evil" gun, or gun availability, instead of the deranged human using it.  And of course there is the slippery slope.  Give them the AR-15 and what do they come after next? 

I would like to see the use of body armor in committing any crime be a mandatory heavy prison sentence.  Maybe it is in some places, I don't know.

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Re: It's Time.
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2022, 02:03:35 PM »
When 19 cops stand in a Hall and allow kids to be shot by the maniac and the cops do nothing for 70 mins.!!  Kids screaming in terror, yelling for help and the Gubment does nothing!!!
 Yeah, let's give up the guns .  .  . really?? What are law abiding citizens supposed to do?? Just hand the socialists anything they demand??

Anybody know any of the 40 killed this past weekend in Chicago?  There tight gun control laws are working splendidly!!!

I'm sorry, punishing law abiding folks is NOT the answer.

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Re: It's Time.
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2022, 10:01:33 PM »
I would urge you to not let the anti-gun crowd nor those who speak for them miss inform and convince you that you as a law abiding citizen do not need or have the right to own a semiautomatic firearm that resembles military styled weapons, i.e. AR-15, AK-47, M1A, etc. The 2nd Amendment gives every legal law-abiding citizen the Constitutional right to possess a firearm for self-protection, if need be, to overthrow tyranny, and to own and have in their possession firearms equal to either of those tasks. The 2nd Amendment was never meant to be for hunting. It would have been ridiculous to grant the right to bear arms for protection and overthrowing tyranny then not allowing weapons equal to the task and the founding fathers knew and understood that fact. To ban those types of weapons and to refuse law-abiding citizens the right to possess them is flat out unconstitutional.

   
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Re: It's Time.
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2022, 06:46:06 AM »
We have already maneuvered them into being Nurses, Mothers, Nutritionists, Babysitters, Moral Guardians, Psychologists . . . and now Marksmen? Are we going to pay them the equivalent salary of all those job titles? What they signed on for was to TEACH our young.
No wonder Teachers are frustrated and leaving the profession in droves and not having replacements waiting in the wings.

No they're simply protecting themselves which millions of us do everyday. Not every teacher wants to be armed and no one is saying they HAVE TO! It's their choice! I know several teachers who would be more than happy to be able to carry on their job!
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