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Shotguns / Re: 1897 Winchester Takedown
« Last post by Abilene on Yesterday at 06:05:15 PM »
Hey All,
Just acquired a 1902 vintage 97 takedown, and it’s a non numbers matching gun so I’m going to go all out modifying and tuning it for CAS. Who would you suggest to have them do the mechanical work? Seller says it has feed issues with the subsequent shell after firing the first, but I’m pretty sure I know the issue. I’m just looking for someone to get it slicked up and running like a clock once I make the necessary repairs to fix the feed issues. I’m thinking about having Tyler Gun Wirks do the refinish of the bluing. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks
Brandon/WheelGunner

Well, gee, I just saw this a year and a half after you posted it.  If you see this response, did you ever get your '97 slicked up?  There are a few 'smiths that are good with these but I think the lack of parts is a problem these days.  I know that Outlaw Gambler at  https://classicoldwestarms.com has a good reputation.
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The link works for me on both laptop and Android phone.

yeah i got it to work, just got impatient. my bad
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The Darksider's Den / Re: .45 Cowboy Special
« Last post by Coffinmaker on Yesterday at 04:39:15 PM »

 :)  WHAT??  Curmudgeon??  Extraordinaire??  Why Sir, I'll have you know I strongly RESEMBLE that.  8)  So There.  And I prefer STONE wheels  ::)  And Coffinmaker is ONE WURD!!  Take That  :o 

Which brings about one of my Buggaboos and annoyances whilst practicing the Dark Art of Gun Plumbing.  RUGER.  Purportedly the most superb of superb of Single Action tools.  Hornswagel.  I never met a Ruger I liked.  Ruger be famous, or infamous for delivering their marvelously magical Vaqueros with grossly undersize throats.  In any caliber.  What crap.  They ALL needed the throats reamed.

Hummmmm.  Plastics.  Really??  Plastics.  I Am Reviewing The Situation (Stoled famous movie line).  Burma Shave
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The Darksider's Den / Re: .45 Cowboy Special
« Last post by Mako on Yesterday at 04:16:19 PM »
Does anybody know what the throats would be on a .45 ACP cylinder?

The reason I ask is because my 3rd Gen Colt's regular .45 Colt cylinder has .455 - .456" diameter throats.  If the .45 ACP has .451 - .452" throats I bet the Cowboy Special could be a tack driver.

Lonesome and the rest,
I have been cooling my heels and perusing files on my computer and posts from over a decade on this site, I found my information on the Gen 1 Colt I have.




I don't remember the topic anymore it might have been a discussion about Conversion Cylinder dimensions, but I was measuring bores and cylinders.  That cylinder will pass a Ø.455+ gauge pin but not a .456.  The grove diameter is definitely Ø.454 as measured on those two balls, the land diameter would accept a Ø.442- pin all of the way through, but the Ø.442+ pin was tight and stuck after about 1 inch.

That's my revolver, it is a "family gun".  It was made in 1896 and is not marked as a Smokeless "approved" frame.  1896 was the "transition" year. However, it does have the push button cylinder pin release.  I have heard arguments and read a couple of books considered to be the authority on SSAs that the buttons started to replace the screws as early as 1892 and was phased in as Colt's had their frames already set up one way or another.

So, I guess my point is that the older Colts used to be relatively tight in the throats considering they used Ø.454 bullets.  It seems the modern revolvers S&W and Colt's actually often have looser throats compared to the original revolver it was chambered in when you considering the bullets were Ø.454 back then.    A Ø.455 throat to a Ø.454 bore is about as perfect as you could ask for.

~Mako
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RATS / Re: Ruger Old Model Super Blackhawk Ejector Screw
« Last post by Boggus Deal on Yesterday at 03:19:14 PM »
Did you find one?
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The Darksider's Den / Re: .45 Cowboy Special
« Last post by Mako on Yesterday at 02:37:15 PM »
:)Hey !!  ;)

So how is it then, when we swage a Round Ball down in the Chamber, well sub bore diameter, the stupid thing will group just fine.  Shooting just as accurate as most suppository shooters.  Atz Oxymoron.  Really.  So, why don't we just skip ALL of this super technical fecal matter and just load Roun Ball in our Suppository Shooters???

Harrumpff

Spoken like a true Moss Back... a Curmudgeon extraordinaire... Our Coffin Maker.

When you only get a contact patch like this on these two Ø.454 (or Ø.457, I can't remember now)  Balls driven down the barrel of a a Gen 1 SAA  you can get away with almost anything.  I'll look up the diameters when I get home.  That was 12 or 13 years ago.



The only man I know who uses iron Banded wheels on his truck instead of a pneumatic tires.

And you are correct, there are a few variables.  The Throat probably being number one and the groove diameter being number two in importance.

"There's a great future in plastics. Think about it. Will you think about it?"

~Mako
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The Longbranch / Re: gunoholic
« Last post by Major 2 on Yesterday at 12:20:40 PM »
Tiz home  :D  Happy B'day to me  ;)
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STORM / Re: After 4 years - Part two of the .38 Colt article in Chronicle
« Last post by Major 2 on Yesterday at 12:19:28 PM »
Gary did an excellent relining job with my 51 barrel, the bobbed 61 barrel is still OEM bore. and I used Heeled bullets 
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STORM / Re: 44 Colt to 44 Special
« Last post by Graveyard Jack on Yesterday at 12:18:23 PM »
Any Gunsmith worth the title, whom would Bead Blast and Parkerize an original Open Top, regardless of present condition, should be de-frocked, horse whipped, keel hauled then shot.
Amen to that!
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Tall Tales / Re: April 1, Fooling around making the coffee & toast
« Last post by Major 2 on Yesterday at 12:03:39 PM »
It's Home, and just completed the Rebate incentive  ;)  $50 bucks is $50  ;)

You are present for the case opening, though not the virgin opening (did that inspection was at the LGS first)
The Altamont supplied grip fit my hand quite well, however I may get these Altamont's anyway.
I have a remaining Xmas Amazon gift card, so they would be in effect free  ;D

Next is to load and shoot it some... then CCW
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