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Spencer carbine doubt
« on: January 31, 2021, 07:16:06 AM »
First thank for add
Yesterday offer to me a Spencer Carbine cal 56-52 but I have a doubt the owner say me the  serial number  104047 this number is high for original carbine or is correct ?
Please I need help with this info
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Re: Spencer carbine doubt
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2021, 11:29:32 AM »
The number does sound a little high, but the seller could be mistaken.  Is the carbine have the rimfire firing pin? I know of no reproductions with a rimfire firing pin. The cartridge is correctly called .56-.50, but would fire the commercially made .56-.52 cartridge interchangeably. (Christopher Spencer thought the .56-.50 had too much crimp, and created a bottlenecked version for the .50 caliber guns.)
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Re: Spencer carbine doubt
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2021, 11:43:55 AM »
Thanks for the information, tomorrow I will see the carbine personally, I will check if it has the firing pin for rimfire  and the manufacturer's marks,
I will also take photos and put them to give me advice,thank

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Re: Spencer carbine doubt
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2021, 01:36:26 PM »
"Peppy",

serial # also appears on the underside of the barrel, but is covered over by the wooden forend . . . see if the serial #s are the same;  also, post a good sharp photo of the serial # at the top of the receiver might help.

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Re: Spencer carbine doubt
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2021, 01:50:01 PM »
Many thank 
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Re: Spencer carbine doubt
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Re: Spencer carbine doubt
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2021, 02:15:48 PM »
serial number makes it a New model,NM should be stamped on the barrel just ahead of the action it should also have a Spencer cut off fitted

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Re: Spencer carbine doubt
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2021, 08:10:10 AM »
Hi

There are the Photos
The carbine have a firing pin for rimfire cartridge,the barrel have 20" long
Please,I need info about the carbine

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Re: Spencer carbine doubt
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2021, 08:12:00 AM »
More photos

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Re: Spencer carbine doubt
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2021, 09:00:24 AM »
You are looking at Spencer's final carbine model, the "New Model," also sometimes called the "Model 1868."  Marcot estimates 5,000 were produced, but I see other models  much more often.  I suspect most were exported.

The serial number is in the correct range for that model.  The front bands usually have a sling swivel, but I have seen them both ways. 

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Re: Spencer carbine doubt
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2021, 05:16:51 PM »
As DJ stated, that’s the last version of the Spencer carbine. Also of note is that it has the Spencer version of the cutoff instead of using the Stabler cutoff.

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Re: Spencer carbine doubt
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2021, 08:36:33 AM »
Many thank for info.
Please,I need estimated price for buy this carbine,the rifling see  excelent,the metal parts see in very good  conditions, have a crack in the  stock,I think shoot used rimfire cartridge or mount a conversión  block
Many thank for the time
Jesús

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Re: Spencer carbine doubt
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2021, 10:16:11 AM »
Rock Island auction has several this weekend, you can watch the auction live
to see what they go for. Has your metal been polished? it looks very nice /shinny
for that age. Anything touched or changed will bring down collector value. From
 what I've seen, a decent, shootable one will bring $2000- $3000. Some are
asking more on gunbroker, and a near perfect one could be considerable more.
I'm no expert, just what I've seen.

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Re: Spencer carbine doubt
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2021, 02:50:57 PM »
It's always hard to estimate without lots of detailed photos or having the gun in hand, but it looks like the breechblock has a flaw, it has widespread light pitting, and there is a crack in the wood (and cracks don't tend to get better).  It also appears to have been cleaned, but the markings I can see still look OK.

I recommend you look at the "completed" listings on a site like Gunbroker to see what comparable guns actually sold for.  You will probably see that prices for all the standard Spencer carbines (1860, 1865, 1867, 1868/NM) fall in the $1100-$2000 range unless their condition is either very very good or very very bad.

The one you are looking at strikes me as more of a shooter than a collector piece (assuming the bore and mechanics are good), and I would expect to find a similar carbine for somewhere around $1300-1500; I doubt you'll find one for under $1100 and I would consider $2000 pretty high.

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Re: Spencer carbine doubt
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2021, 10:46:14 AM »
Rock Island Auction sold 4 Spencers today. this is including 15% buyers premium.
lot 171 $2875,  lot 175  $2070,   lot 179 $1265,    lot 187 $978.  Condition is
everything. On gunbroker they can ask anything, but this is real people buying
real guns at the largest antique auction in the world.

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Re: Spencer carbine doubt
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2021, 03:22:34 AM »
Many thank for help 

 

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