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Re: Best "modern" western
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2015, 07:34:35 AM »
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The bad guy got away...!

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Re: Best "modern" western
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2015, 11:32:46 AM »
Well, in rereading this, I cannot believe no one has mentioned Firefly.  It is science fiction, so it is so modern it hasn't happened yet.    ;D 

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Re: Best "modern" western
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2015, 11:36:29 AM »
I didn't like the ending of "No Country for Old Men". The bad guy got away...!

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That happened too.  Eventually all the bad guys got caught in one way or another but at times they absconded.  Look at Kid Curry, aka Harvey Logan and likely the actual source of "The Sundance Kid's' reputation and notoriety:  he walked into a Sherriff's office, killed the Sheriff, walked out, rode away.  Yeah, they finally got him but he killed a lot of good guys in the process, probably the nastiest outlaw no one talks about.  Men that knew him said he was fast, a dead shot, and ruthless. 
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Re: Best "modern" western
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Re: Best "modern" western
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2015, 12:20:36 PM »
It is interesting that you said:

likely the actual source of "The Sundance Kid's' reputation and notoriety. How did you come by that information?

I know who Harvey Logan, AKA Jim Currey was. And his reputation was as you said.

I have always been very interested in Butch Cassidy, the Sundance Kid and the Wild Bunch.

My grandfather, a cowboy, worked with Butch Cassidy, when Cassidy was hiding out on a ranch in Montana, using the name Jim Lowe.

In Montana, where I came from, older people said that they saw Cassidy several times, in the years after his supposed death. There is no reliable verification of that except for pictures, of Cassidy, in a book that I had.

People liked Cassidy and would never have given him up to the law.

I think Cassidy and the Sundance Kid returned from South America and lived out their lives in Montana, or Wyoming.

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Re: Best "modern" western
« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2015, 01:39:26 PM »
It is interesting that you said:

likely the actual source of "The Sundance Kid's' reputation and notoriety. How did you come by that information?

I know who Harvey Logan, AKA Jim Currey was. And his reputation was as you said.

I have always been very interested in Butch Cassidy, the Sundance Kid and the Wild Bunch.

My grandfather, a cowboy, worked with Butch Cassidy, when Cassidy was hiding out on a ranch in Montana, using the name Jim Lowe.

In Montana, where I came from, older people said that they saw Cassidy several times, in the years after his supposed death. There is no reliable verification of that except for pictures, of Cassidy, in a book that I had.

People liked Cassidy and would never have given him up to the law.

I think Cassidy and the Sundance Kid returned from South America and lived out their lives in Montana, or Wyoming.

Bill,

Very nice! 

The same rumors regarding Butch were told in Utah, my dad interviewed his sister (when he was prospecting) as I recall (cousin?  I think it was his sister) and she swore she saw him again saying he would drop in from time to time and was living elsewhere under an alias; she reported that Longbaugh was killed and Cassidy escaped, pick yer place and story, how we would know for sure is a topic that could keep us going for awhile.  I sure as hell don't know one way or the other.   I know that at least one "Montana Rancher" story for Longbaugh was debunked by DNA testing a few years back.  Perhaps he lived elsewhere, as you say:  they were popular characters and might never have been turned in--I believe that wholeheartedly.  Most of the west was, and in parts still is, peopled with folks who are morally ambiguous, shall we say, as it pertains to turning people in to legal authorities. 

I cannot recall the name of the author who first posited that about the whole Sundance Kid legend likely being gilded with the deeds of Curry, as mythologized by the film, but I have never read any account of Longbaugh being as dangerous as Curry so it makes some sense on its own (I will cast around and see if I can find that for you).  As I recall Logan and Longbaugh came into the area together, so confusing the two would have been easy to do, especially with the accuracy of old west stories generally.  Note that Smokov posits that Curry's kill list was over exaggerated (though some of the reasoning is specious to my mind, e.g., Curry was not tried for murder--he would not have been the first person in the west who was not tried for murder due to a lack of evidence or a different jurisdiction). That does not mean Harry Longbaugh was not a fine marksman or anything (though I don't believe he killed anyone or at least that we know of, in the United States), but Curry was by any account I have seen the more dangerous.  The other reason I think that the whole Sundance Kid and Butch thing is overblown is that Cassidy's best friend was not Longbaugh but rather Elzy Lay was.  So, Longbaugh was attributed possibly a few of the group attributes why?  Because he survived to disappear to Bolivia and it was catcthy commercialism. 

I'd love some answers, or not since it would terminate my mental meanderings on the subject. 

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Re: Best "modern" western
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2016, 11:02:19 PM »
I'm reading Cormac McCarthy's BLOOD MERIDIAN.  More blood & gore in half the book than in all the spaghetti westerns I have ever seen!
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