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The Longbranch / Re: The "Card Game"
« Last post by Major E A Sterner on Today at 08:13:53 PM »
Major throws in a stretched out leather belt with extra holes punched in it.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Which rifle for BP?
« Last post by Mako on Today at 08:10:53 PM »
Okay guys, gonna try loading some APP and try BP loading.  Okay, which rifle of these two will play better with BP, my Rossi 92 in .357 Magnum or the Uberti 1873 in .45 Colt? Rifling, cleaning, etc?
Do you plan on shooting .357 or .38 spl?  I'm not sure how well the Rossi feeds the .38 spl.  The '73 is the king of the Cowboy match guns, no ramp to go up the carrier lifts any bullet shape straight up and the bolt pushes it straight in. I persannly think it is easier to clean a '66 or '73.  You pull the side plates and it is all right there. Dave, is right about blow by unless you load it full and compress it a bit.  You need that straight wall case to obdurate a bit to seal, but a lot of cowboys use the .45.  I have a couple of rifles in .38 sp,l a Marlin '94  Cowboy Competition (actually chambered in .38 Spl not .357) and a Model '66 Yellowboy. 

I load my .38s with as much powder as I can compress under a 160 gr Snake Bite Grease Wagon and they expand well and seal the chamber. That bullet has a long ogive and actually shoots well in marlins and '92 pattern rifles because of the length.  Short and stumpy sometimes has problems in rifles with ramps (Marlin/Winchester) I also have a couple of .44 Spl rifles (one's a carbine shooting .44 Russian)  Those are straight wall cases and once again I put as much powder as I can cram in under a 200 Grain Mav Dutchman and they obdurate and seal as well, even the .44 Russian.  I know people also do the same with .45 Cowboy in '66s and '73s with the carrier you have to add to use the shorter cartridge.  I have that carrier in my '66 that shoots .44 Russian.

The .44 WCF or .38 WCF do about the best, the bottleneck cases seal even better than straight walls.

I will tell you this though, I get more residue back in the action from racking the action as fast as I can shoot than I ever do on the range taking my time between shots.  There are speckles all over my '66s from black powder still smoking as I eject shells during a match.  Check this out:

How they sell it...


This is how it looks when you use them hard and even clean them (not polish them)


And it is clean, this is the inside:


~Mako
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Which rifle for BP?
« Last post by Cliff Fendley on Today at 08:09:09 PM »
Sell them both and buy a 44-40.
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Little Dalton,

If you are recreating the original, why not search and wait for an original Winchester bullet mold off of Ebay.  Since you are willing to spend 100+ for an Accurate, just get the original one in decent shape.

Then after finding that or before, just buy a Winchester 1882 -- 32WCF plier reloading tool and the BP you stated using and recreate the cartridge, all the way.

Starline brass and the right amount of powder will work up a good cartridge.

Just a thought.

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The Darksider's Den / Re: Which rifle for BP?
« Last post by hellgate on Today at 07:40:59 PM »
I don't have a '73 so no advice there. I've been shooting a Rossi '92 since 1992 in SASS matches. If you use real gunpowder (BP) you will either need the Snakebite "greasewagon" bullet lubed with a BP lube or some other generous lube grooved bullet like the Lyman 358311 (that I use) and two discs of medium brood core bees wax under the bullet. That load will shoot all day but shoots a 5-6" group @50yds. Accurate enough for SASS distances. If you don't do the beeswax discs then you need to do a wet swab "pull through" to prevent the last 4-6" of barrel from fouling after about each 10 shots (20" barrel). Plan on the pull cord splatting against your sleeve permanently instilling a black smudge.

I have used various subs (with the exception of Pyrodex due to its corrosiveness): Black Canyon, Black Mag 3, APP, Cleanshot, Clearshot, 777, and Black MZ. All of those listed work just fine with standard smokeless lubes. All of them grouped into 1.5" @50 yds. All except 777 produce about the same velocity as real BP. The 777 (I use 3f size) shoot the bullets about 1/3 faster than all the rest. The manufacturer recommends to only use FFg size 777 for cartridges but I had already worked up the load befroe reading the warning and figured the 357 mag is a pretty high intensity cartridge so I haven't worried about pressure problems. YMMV. Now I only use the other subs in 38 SPL pistols when I want light recoil. I will use any 150-158gr lead bullet and 15 grains (weighed) in the 357 and crimped in.

The Rossis are more particular about cartridge overall length whitch will vary with the shape of the bullet so I always work up a load by first finding the best OAL for any particular bullet. If the bullet causes hiccups then I won't use it. You need to start with extra long dummy rounds (~5), run them through the gun and seat the bullets a couple thou deeper and run them through again until they look too short and start hiccupping again. Write down the OALs as you do this. You will find the sweet spot and that is the OAL for that bullet.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Which rifle for BP?
« Last post by Sedalia Dave on Today at 06:09:33 PM »
To clean flush the action and barrel with hot water.  I Pull a Remington Squeeg-E through the bore and follow up with a wet patch.
Spray some Ballistol into the action and cycle a few times. Wipe down and you are good to go.

Every 3 to 6 months do a complete tear down and regrease the internals.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Which rifle for BP?
« Last post by Sedalia Dave on Today at 06:05:43 PM »
357 Mag will have significantly less blow by than 45 colt.  Load your 357s with enough 3F APP to just below the base of the bullet.

Clean your rifle and lube with a BP compatible lube. Your 92 will easily run 18 stages over 3 days with just little Ballistol sprayed in the action at the end of the day followed by a wipe down of the outside.
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Tall Tales / Re: May we move on, for coffee and chat ?
« Last post by Major 2 on Today at 06:00:50 PM »
Congratulations on your podium position good shooting.  :)


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Tall Tales / Re: May we move on, for coffee and chat ?
« Last post by DeaconKC on Today at 05:48:54 PM »
Got back home from Alabama State, safe trip and amazingly I took Third Place in Gunfighter. Great weather there and travel home until the last hour when it rained/poured. Anyway, it is good to be home.
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The Darksider's Den / Which rifle for BP?
« Last post by DeaconKC on Today at 05:39:09 PM »
Okay guys, gonna try loading some APP and try BP loading.  Okay, which rifle of these two will play better with BP, my Rossi 92 in .357 Magnum or the Uberti 1873 in .45 Colt? Rifling, cleaning, etc?
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