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Re: Favorite loads for your 86
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2017, 05:23:45 AM »
I thought I was on to a good post here as I am looking for a good load for my 1886 in 50/110, but there seems to be very little in the way of loads for this small cartridge, I cant even find dies for it, are there any other 50 caliber dies that can be used ? With care of course, and what is the best bullet weight for the very slow twist rate, all my moulds are for 650/750 gr bullets, (for other rifles), so I need a good 350gr flat nose mould for this 50/110 caliber cartridge ? Any constructive advice would be gratefully accepted .

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Re: Favorite loads for your 86
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2017, 05:26:01 PM »
I have a book called "The Winchester Lever Legacy" by Clyde "Snooky" Williamson Published in 1988. It has loads for almost all 86, 92 and 94 cartridges. Mr Williamson was a friend of George Madis. He had access to lots of rifles. He loved to experiment. He also seems to have had almost unlimited time. He must have had a very understanding wife too. He gives smokeless loads together with velocity and photos of the targets. Some of his loads seem pretty hot. Lots of detail on each cartridge. I don't remember when or where I got the book. If someone has a specific request I can look it up with the disclaimer that it is not my data.
My own load for my 86 in 45-70 is simple. 330 grain Gould cast 20 to 1 with 72 grains of 2f. I shot some smokeless loads long ago but settled on that load.
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Re: Favorite loads for your 86
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2017, 10:06:02 PM »
I have that book also, great read, funny guy. He could have made a career out of writing. Seems he also had unlimited amount of deer to shoot at also.

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Re: Favorite loads for your 86
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2020, 02:51:00 PM »
How about sharing your favorite loads for your 1886?

In my rebored M86 Lyman 385gr gas check bullet cast dead soft, sized .457,  Lyman graphite lube, 20.0 grs SR 4759, NO wad or filler, using a Lyman tang sight it would put four into 1" and the fifth invariably out an inch or so. That was when I was young and had good eyes.  I won many, many turkeys with it at our local club. Very pleasant to shoot with the rifle butt.

For hunting I used the same bullet with 55grs IMR 4831 (case full, cannot get too much in case) approx. 1500 fps. Deadly on both ends.
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Re: Favorite loads for your 86
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2020, 06:30:52 PM »
I like 65 gr. of Swiss 1.5F with the Lyman 457193. That steps out at around 1300 fps, which is plenty for me. Speaking of 520gr bullets in light guns, many years ago I had half a box of heavy bullet BP 45-70 loads that I wanted to empty and only a Springfield carbine at the range. Being rather younger and more foolish than I am now, I went ahead and lit them off. Well.... to say they had a wallop would be putting it mildly. When I got back to my place, I had a bruise in my shoulder in the exact shape of a Springfield buttplate, complete with a distinct impression of the buttplate screw, and the screw slot. Never did that again!

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Re: Favorite loads for your 86
« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2020, 08:17:57 AM »
Starline 45/70 brass (so I dont get it mixed with my sharps ammo) -

6 grains 4227 on the primer - then 63 grains of FFFg - 40thou HDPE wad - 335 grain cast soft - loading book from my chrono box says 1548 FPS average with an extreme spread of 6FPS
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6 grains 4227 - then 55 grains FFFg - 40 thou wad - 405 grain cast soft book says 1362 FPS average with ES = 7FPS

Rifle is Chiappa 1886 - weighs neat ten pounds so recoil is not a problem


335 grain boolit on the left in the picture

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Re: Favorite loads for your 86
« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2020, 11:26:39 AM »
My experience dates back to the early 1990s when I had both a Browning 1886 and an original Winchester in 40-65 that was re-bored to 45-70 (the original bore was the proverbial sewer pipe of pitting and corrosion). I loaded the Lyman 457193, cast of 1-20 alloy, over 61g-62g of FFg GOEX (all that was available then). Brass was either Win or Rem. I had some of both.

I did quite a bit of research back then and found several references stating the standard for sporting rifles with iron sights was keeping all shots (group number not specified) inside 4" at 100 yards. That load would shoot 5 rounds to that standard of accuracy from both of my '86s. This was with the barrel mounted buck-horn rear sight and blade front. I was not shooting a tuned or set-trigger on either gun. If memory serves the Browning rifle had a 26" barrel while the re-bored original Winchester had a non-standard 24" barrel.

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Re: Favorite loads for your 86
« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2020, 06:04:16 PM »
For all of you:
I have a 45-90 and a Marlin 45-70 also a 40-82.All rifles do very well and have gotten me meat over the years.  The only powder that I use in all of them is 3031.  As you say, I too have done alot of research over the years and this powder along with 58 grains of the stuff is what I have used over the years along with Hornady's excellent 300 grain jacketed flat-nose bullet.  I have never had any complaints nor have any of the game I have gotten protested--much!  Of the three calibers that I have used, the 40-82 shoots the flattest over the long distances.Of course I have also used alot of BP but do prefer the 3031.  Now there will no doubt think that I am full of beans but this is what I use and have used since 1968 when I got my 45-90. So, for what it is worth, I thought that you might like to read what someone else is doing.  The bullet that I use in the 40-82  is the 250 grain Barnes that I got a whole gob of several years ago.

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Re: Favorite loads for your 86
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2020, 07:27:15 PM »
I thought I was on to a good post here as I am looking for a good load for my 1886 in 50/110, but there seems to be very little in the way of loads for this small cartridge, I cant even find dies for it, are there any other 50 caliber dies that can be used ? With care of course, and what is the best bullet weight for the very slow twist rate, all my moulds are for 650/750 gr bullets, (for other rifles), so I need a good 350gr flat nose mould for this 50/110 caliber cartridge ? Any constructive advice would be gratefully accepted .
Sorry to be a bit late commenting on your 50-110 M'86.  In the November 1965 issue of Shooting Times Magazine, Ken Waters covered all the cartridges for which the '86 was chambered, including the .50-110. The cartridge and rifling twist was marketed as an "Express" rifle, which sent a 300 gr. bullet out at 1605 ft/sec for a standard velocity load and 2242 ft/sec for the WHV load. He listed Lyman #512139 and the #509134 moulds, and recommended between 52-57 gr. 3031 for the cast bullets. [I am only quoting his article, never having had a .50-110, and can assume no responsibility for the use of this data in any way, shape or form.]

As far as loading dies are concerned, have you checked with RCBS? They might be costly, but they could probably make a set for you. Good luck. Stay well and safe!
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Re: Favorite loads for your 86
« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2020, 12:00:16 AM »
Starline 45/70 brass (so I dont get it mixed with my sharps ammo) -

6 grains 4227 on the primer - then 63 grains of FFFg - 40thou HDPE wad - 335 grain cast soft - loading book from my chrono box says 1548 FPS average with an extreme spread of 6FPS
or ....
6 grains 4227 - then 55 grains FFFg - 40 thou wad - 405 grain cast soft book says 1362 FPS average with ES = 7FPS

Rifle is Chiappa 1886 - weighs neat ten pounds so recoil is not a problem


335 grain boolit on the left in the picture

a couple months later I read my range book and updated this

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Re: Favorite loads for your 86
« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2020, 07:58:44 PM »
I hear ya may well stick to 300 grainer JHP or 350 LRN I do have almost a box for speer 400 fps that might work at a reasonable velocity dont want my brain rattled loose
I do know with 65 grains Olde Eyseford 2f under a 500 grain bullet my original 1888 trapdoor is no fun
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Re: Favorite loads for your 86
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2021, 10:59:56 AM »
Hit the range with 300 JHPs and 350 JRNs over varget starting max trapdoor safe load for each bullets then down in .5 grain increments shot in min charge to max charge order just to be clear.  Grouped best at 1 grain below max in each case.  Lot easier on shoulder at 1 grain below than the .5 below and max load.  Since going to range picked up some RL 7 may try different powders and actually try some cast bullets have some Desparado bullets 415 grainers that worked ok out of a H&R officers model trapdoor
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Re: Favorite loads for your 86
« Reply #32 on: March 07, 2022, 01:10:10 PM »
Well I got to going through my notes and--DEAR ME--I found that you wanted some more info on that load that I use in my 45-90 and here it is:  As I said-I use IMR 3031 and with 58.0 grains with a Hornady 300 grain jacketed soft point bullet.  The  muzzle velocity=-through my PACT chronograph is 1859 and the energy is 2303 foot pounds  The recoil is not too bad-especially when you are going after meat!  Now, I believe that this data answers your questions that you had.

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Re: Favorite loads for your 86
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2022, 07:07:46 PM »
My preferred load for my Browning 1886 rifle is the old Elmer Keith load of 53.5 gr IMR 4895, large rifle primer, and a Lyman 330 gr HP Gould bullet.  I cast mine soft and paper patch them.  Load chronographs a just under 1700 fps.  Very pleasant to shoot and very accurate.  Especially with a shotgun butteplate stocked rifle.  With a paper patched bullet there is no leading.
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Re: Favorite loads for your 86
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2022, 09:04:40 PM »
If you're looking to shoot at CAS targets, as I do with mine, 13 grains of Trail Boss under a 405 grain bullet (.45-70) is a lot of fun.  Takes targets down with some authority!
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