Rowdy I still have enough of the bp.shell's you sent me ,they are plenty powerful,and pattern good in my hammer double outa 45 paces or more.Gonna do more testin with my brass shell loadin before I use them on game. Ifn the load's I'm shootin are loaded like you say ,I say I should be able to up my load's a bit. Cause I'm not pushin but 60grn. 3fff Goex under 1-1/8 ox.# 4 .My old gun locks-up tight ,but feel I need to work up a bit at a time. Headin out in a day ot two for my hunt,if the creek dont rise.......Dusty