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USFA CSS / Re: Info on this US"P"FA SAA
« Last post by Abilene on Today at 04:28:08 PM »
Yours has a black powder frame, that's nice!
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The Darksider's Den / Re: How did we get these "Calibers"?
« Last post by Abilene on Today at 04:26:43 PM »
Okay, just did some comparisons between the .38 type II, the .44 type II, and a '51 R-M.  The frame and cylinder on all the .38's is the same (which you can tell by parts list numbers as well).  The .38 cylinders measure ~1.63" diameter.  On my oldest 'R-M, it measured 1.61".  1.63" is also the diameter of the rear portion of the .44 cylinder.  I seem to recall looking up in McDowell's book once and the Uberti '51 R-M cylinders are the same as original, as you have also noted.

The .38 frame is not stepped.  So the .44 cylinder will not fit. To get a .44 cylinder to fit on the .38 frame would require milling the front of the water table for the wider portion of the cylinder. The .38 cylinder and barrel fit on the .44 frame, although the frame and barrel would not quite meet at the locator pins, maybe a thousandth or two gap.  I think the arbor was bottoming out in the hole in the barrel.  I could not get the .44 barrel to attach to the '51 frame.  The locater pins "looked" like they lined up, but must have been off the tiniest bit because I couldn't get them started in the holes in the barrel.  Something like a plastic mallet might have made it go on but I didn't want to force anything.

Note too, that the .38 cylinder is shorter than the .44 cylinder, so it has a longer gas seal on the front of it to reach the barrel, and the barrel has a longer extension on the rear (the part where the forcing cone would be).  So, a .38 cylinder on the .44 frame with the .44 barrel attached left a .165" barrel to cylinder gap! 

The two frames both measured .750" wide across the bottom directly in front of the trigger guard, just before the edges are beveled on the bottom.

Regarding your Note 3 - I assume you mean a .44 conversion barrel, since the percussion barrels will not fit the conversions.

Regarding your Note 4 - I was able to trade off the Army grips and frames that came on both of my Type II's for Navy (all Uberti '60 conversions, Type II and R-M, have Army grips regardless of caliber).  You could do the opposite if needed, but if you start with a Type II (or '60 R-M) it will already have Army.  The only Uberti conversion to come with a Navy grip is the '51 (I'm not counting the Opentops, which come with either).

Obviously the '60 conversions never came in .38 back in the day, and just as obviously Uberti likes to make various guns in the more popular calibers of today.  But I don't know why they made their '60 conversions in .38 with the Navy frame/cylinder.  It would have been just as easy to chamber a stepped cylinder in .38 and at least the gun would have LOOKED right, even if the caliber was not authentic.  The '60's with the Navy frame and cylinder just looked wrong.  But fortunately for me, that made it easy to make the '61 conversion.  Charles Hudson at Texas Jacks once opined that Uberti did this so there could actually be a '61 conversion without having to go through the regulatory steps and fees required for acceptance of any "new" product that they come up with.  That may be true, but not many people know about it.  And a '60 R-M in .38, even with a Navy grip, would be a frankengun since Colt never made a Navy conversion with that barrel style.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Which rifle for BP?
« Last post by DeaconKC on Today at 03:56:35 PM »
I certainly do appreciate the offers from you fine folks to buy me guns in a Dash cartridge, it is awfully thoughtful of you.
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USFA CSS / Re: 38/40 serial number
« Last post by Buckaroo Lou on Today at 03:36:44 PM »
King,
The photos you provided are not sufficient to make a positive determination based on them alone. It does have the cone shaped firing pin as do all USA parts guns, but need the photos I suggested in my previous post.

I agree with Coffinmaker about not letting a parts gun turn you away, but on the other hand I personally would not pay the price most USFA USA parts guns sell for these days for one built from Italian parts, but that is just me.

I did notice in the photo the cylinder has a turn line or at least a partial turn line. Personally, for me that would hurt its value some.
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USFA CSS / Re: Info on this US"P"FA SAA
« Last post by Buckaroo Lou on Today at 03:15:48 PM »
My understanding is that all USPFA guns were made of Italian parts and were the first guns USFA issued. From what I have observed on the auction sights is some USPFA guns sell for almost as much as the USA parts guns. I think it depends on condition and how desirable it might be.
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Shotguns / Re: 16 ga shells found
« Last post by Macon Due on Today at 02:55:15 PM »
Ed
Wow........$54.00 for a 25lb. bag of shot now!!! Glad I have at least a couple hundred lbs. stored away from $17.00 a bag. My buddy had 3,000 lbs stored away. Things have just gone sky high  any more. :(
Macon
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USFA CSS / Info on this US"P"FA SAA
« Last post by alouisf02 on Today at 02:49:37 PM »
I have this USFA SAA I purchased about 12 years ago and I'm trying to find value information on it. Prices on GB seems to vary a lot. I was chatting with another collector friend of mine and he stated it looks like an earlier one that was made with some Uberti parts maybe? So that makes it a parts gun?  I only really know the information about them that I read in an article close to 20 years ago that spoke about their acquisition and what they were doing. I thought their history and what they offered were really cool, so when I found one, I had to have it.

That being said, here we are many years later and this has always been tucked at the back of my safe, so figured I'd look into moving it... but I need to know more about it.

From what info I do have... is it's serial # starts with a DFC prefix, so sold through Davidsons. I called Turnbull Restoration a few years ago when I was trying to research it and they verified it had "been through their shop" around May 0f 97' if I remember correctly. Not that they built it, but just what they said. I'm assuming they did the color case hardening? It's marked USPFA on top, is in 45LC, and has a second cylinder in 45ACP. I've put maybe 20 rounds though it in it's lifetime.

Any information or direction is much appreciated. I was referred here and been searching in this subforum, but maybe someone more versed in these can chime in. Thanks in advance for any help.

Regards - A

Pics: https://imgur.com/a/etIvf6f
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Lowering prices one more time before I put them on gunbroker.  Prices include shipping, which costs me $20 - $25.
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The Leather Shop / Re: Man With No Name
« Last post by River City John on Today at 10:43:20 AM »
This guy sells “printable  pdf patterns” for a number of rigs, and claims his man with no name pattern is accurate.
I have no clue, just manged to find it, and it seems to be the only vendor i can find.


www.londonjacksleather.com.


Prf mumbles

PLUS, his name is John, so ya can't go wrong!
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Tall Tales / Re: May we move on, for coffee and chat ?
« Last post by Hair Trigger Jim on Today at 10:43:18 AM »
I'm a bit north of you guys.  We got some wind and a little rain, but that was it despite the "severe thunderstorm warning."  I put the car in the garage for nothing.  Coulda gotten at least a light carwash out of it.
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