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The Darksider's Den / Re: Ballistol?
« Last post by Abilene on Today at 05:18:25 PM »
I forgot to mention, though I have done so before, but I HATE the smell of Ballistol.  I'd have to describe it as sort of a licorice.  It literally takes my breath away, so if I'm using it indoors I MUST have a fan blowing.  And it also leaves your skin soft.  :)
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Ballistol?
« Last post by Mako on Today at 04:12:33 PM »
I think Abilene gave one of the best uses for it, that is to hold your dirty weapons until you get a chance to clean them.  there are several characteristics to Ballistol:
  • It emulsifies in water, almost all other oils don't without a surfactant of some type.
  • This means you can mix it with water and make very generous portions of it, and as Dave pointed out some call this Moose Milk, I literally have a bath of it.  When the water dries it leaves a film of oil, but you need a lot of oil left and it is slick and not something you want to put up in that condition.
  • It also works as a secondary cleaner after you've cleaned with HOT water and soap (water is the "universal solvent" and the soap breaks up the oil).  If you dunk parts or spray them down with Moose Milk then you have an oily film on the surface and in some nooks and crannies you may not see. But I still would use another surface protectant, the Moose milk is your limited insurance policy in getting into areas you cannot easily get to.  If you had a tank of after-bluing oil dip it is basically the same thing. It holds water from the after blueing boil out and you can skim the milky partially emulsified mixture off of the surface the day after.  However I would be reticent to dip a firearm with BP fouling in a tank reserved for fine finished hot blued guns. But, if you had a dedicated one (the oils is not cheap).  I have used Diesel (dunked in a tank)  not for cleaning BP (but it works on other firearms), leaving a film, then wiped things down and used a better surface protector on the outside.
  • If I don't have access to hot water, or soap and water I have cleaned with only Moose Milk and saved the better cleaning until the next time I shoot.  I would never do this at the end of the shooting season (if you slow down in the winter), I always strip and clean and thoroughly oil before putting them up for more than a month or two.
  • It is not the best corrosion inhibitor, but you shouldn't use it as such except for limited time periods as Abilene pointed out.  I do the same thing, this gives me time to relax when I get home and clean in the next couple of days.
  • This is a video from Todd's channel "Project Farm"  I like the way he does his test matrices and he is very consistent.  He rates it as a cleaner/protector.  His other videos are pretty good as well.
  • I spray down the tubes of my shotgun at the end of the match and let them sit for ten minutes or more, then push a wad of paper towel through the bore and the melted plastic from my wads will push out like a snake skin.  I know one guy who is so lazy he sprays them, waits and then shoots smokeless loads through the shotgun to "blow" the plastic "skins" out.  I think I'll stick with a paper towel  and a big ole' 12ga Jag.
  • In the summer when it is hot, I clean, spray down with Moose Milk, set the parts or complete weapons in the sun (the parts get HOT!), wipe them down and then use a rust preventative like EEZOX (or name your own poison here) as I reassemble everything.  For lubrication I have recently switched to my Mobil 1 Synthetic Grease and Mobil 1 Synthetic Oil lube mixture I use on everything else (not BP weapons) and even use the grease alone in the trigger area, I sort of fill it up.  So far no melted grease on my hands, but it is an experiment in progress.  I used to pretty much disassemble entire guns after a match, now I only do it about three times a year.   
  • You don't have to worry about Ballistol soaking into and softening your wood like you have to be with conventional oil. And, Leather loves it 
  • A tub of VERY hot water and lots of soap will do wonders for many things including incredibly fouled M240s, M249s, M60s, M2s, M242s, any sidearm, rifle/carbine, you name it.  I've watched guys spending hours trying to clean with CLP and then provide them with a wash tub full of scalding water, Mexican Soap (Lye) and fiber brushes and they come clean.   It's getting worse now...they want environmentally friendly cleaning materials.  Then there are the disposal forms and the environmental SOPs  ::) 

Ket Shootwell, I have a question for you, did you just clean with Ballistol or try to use it as a corrosion inhibitor?  Also if you don't FULLY clean the bore (which Ballistol without water won't) you will get some superficial surface rust like you show on your patches.  Water and Ballistol or water and soap, then a thin film of a decent petroleum based oil and it won't rust.  BP is hygroscopic, it doesn't cause rust but attracts the moisture that will.  And fouling is porous and allows air and moisture in which is how we get corrosion. 

~Mako
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Ballistol?
« Last post by Major 2 on Today at 02:24:44 PM »


Major, I use it on wood and leather as well.  It will darken light colored leather.  I've used it for the oil finish on the last several grips I've refinished, and the grain really pops when it is still wet.

Yes Sir
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Ballistol?
« Last post by Abilene on Today at 02:04:57 PM »
The guy from Ballistol told me some years ago that to clean smokeless with it you need to let it soak for a bit - it doesn't work as fast as some other solvents.  I do use it full strength for cleaning/lubing smokeless, and I use either moosemilk or hot water for cleaning the BP guns, and straight Ballistol for lubing. Actually, I've gotten to where after a match with BP I just spray Ballistol into and on the outside of the guns and put them away, and clean them in a few days or a few weeks, whenever I get to it.  Since a lot of my guns are used with both smokeless and BP, cleaning them with Ballistol leaves them ready to shoot either one.

Some years ago John Boy (R.I.P.) did some non-scientific tests where he coated some random pieces of metal with various products to see which worked the best against rust.  I don't recall much detail, but the Ballistol treated metal did rust some.  I have not had any rust problems myself.

Major, I use it on wood and leather as well.  It will darken light colored leather.  I've used it for the oil finish on the last several grips I've refinished, and the grain really pops when it is still wet.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: How did we get these "Calibers"?
« Last post by Abilene on Today at 01:55:55 PM »
The imgur photos do not show up on my new HP laptop with Windows 11, using Opera browser.  Tried Edge browser, same.  A post from someone else on another topic that also used Imgur, that pic doesn't show up either.  Tried with ad-blocker turned off as well, but it is something with this laptop because your pics show up on my Android phone.

Back to the dimensions.  As I mentioned, the cylinders on my '51 conversions are also 0.1" larger than originals - for some reason I had thought the small caliber conversions were the same as original.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Ballistol?
« Last post by Major 2 on Today at 01:27:03 PM »
I used it, mostly the aerosol cans on smokeless cleanup.
The liquid, full strength on wood and leather as a finish works great. 
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Ballistol?
« Last post by Froogal on Today at 12:50:05 PM »
Just to clarify, I have been using ballistol to clean my guns after shooting smokeless powder, and it works great. Just squirt a generous amount down the bore, wait a few seconds, make 2 passes with a bore snake, and the bore is nice and shiny. I've done the same after shooting black powder, but I flush out the bore with hot water before using the snake. Again, the bore always comes out nice and shiny, but I've never tried the ballistol just by itself without flushing with water. Hot water is not particularly available at the shooting range.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: How did we get these "Calibers"?
« Last post by Mako on Today at 12:35:48 PM »
Abilene,
Are the images still not showing?  If so what are you viewing them on, a phone?  If you can't see them let me know the way they have you copy the link changed on me.

I think my world is level again...the last time we were talking about this was probably 12 or 13 years ago.  You have confirmed what I believed then.  All large caliber R-M and Richards II revolver and frames are larger.  AND the Richards Type II no matter what the caliber are oversized.  Only the R-M .38s (Navy model conversions) are the same size as the Percussion frames and cylinders.  I am speaking in generalities, there are differences but not like the Uberti Richards Type IIs and the large caliber Uberti Richards-Masons conversions.

These are the dimensions from several of mine. Note there is a difference on several of my Navy model Percussion cylinders:


Thank you for all of your help and putting up with me.

~Mako
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The Longbranch / Re: gunoholic
« Last post by Major 2 on Today at 10:40:44 AM »
Thanks guys  :)
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NCOWS / Re: 2024 Jerry Barnes Match
« Last post by OklaTom on Today at 10:24:57 AM »
I had a ball, even if my back was not cooperating all the time. Big thanks to Books, Mogorilla, and all the KVC folks who put on a sometimes crazy match for us. There were 5 states represented there. I liked the comment Books made after the stage where we had to shoot under a wagon, prone, at increasingly distant targets: ”The knucklehead that wrote this stage won’t do that again!”

Thanks again, KVC
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