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Special Interests - Groups & Societies => The Barracks => Topic started by: G.W. Strong on July 22, 2013, 07:00:18 PM
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I just stumbled over a bunch of Krag Model 1899 carbines. They have some surface rust and the bores are dark and dirty but they are 100% complete. The guy is asking $450 each for them. I am going to go back and buy one for myself. Would anyone else like me to buy one for them? Since these are made after 1898 they need to go through either a C&R or regular FFL.
Any takers?
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Thats a deal! Wish I had an extra $450, I'd grab one. Even poor condition original 1899s seem to run twice that. Cut down 1898s are often that and more. With Criterion selling new Krag barrels for $200, you could rebarrel and still be ahead.
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The NC rifle barrels shoot really well, would expect the same from the carbine barrels
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G. W.,
I'll take one at that price. I know we've never meet but Pitsptr knows me. Is this an FFL in your part of the world who can sell it to me direct and ship it to my FFL so we don't have to put you in the middle?
Please pick the best one for yourself and the next best for me. Please refresh my memory. Is the 1899 the carbine with the hump to protect the rear sight and no saddle ring?
Now all I'll have to do is find someone to sell my cut down 1898 poor man's carbine to.
Thanks
Bat Masterson
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The 1899 has no saddle ring, if it has a 1901 sight it has a humped handguard. If it has an 1898 or 1902 sight then there is no hump.
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If they're a 'true' carbine, with the correctly-marked rear sight, and falling into the carbine serial number range - please send me a PM.
Scouts Out!
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This guy only sells locally and will not deal with anyone but face to face. He told me he had about 20 of them. I saw one and it was a legit 1899 carbine with proper markings. The stock was cartouched 1902. I believe the others will be similar but I will not know for sure until I get time to go look through the whole pile.
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If I just had all that money back I've wasted on food, mortgage, etc...........
Oh, well, if I keep getting more guns, I'll need another gun safe, more $$$$
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Any chance you could take some pictures of them and post here?
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Any chance you could take some pictures of them and post here?
I wish I could but the shop is a couple of hours from my house.
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G.W.
pm sent.
RCJ
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This guy only sells locally and will not deal with anyone but face to face. He told me he had about 20 of them. I saw one and it was a legit 1899 carbine with proper markings. The stock was cartouched 1902. I believe the others will be similar but I will not know for sure until I get time to go look through the whole pile.
Hi
I take it you're an Illinois resident. None of my friends from there have a FOID card. How do you do transfers there?
Mike
Norman OK
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Hi
I take it you're an Illinois resident. None of my friends from there have a FOID card. How do you do transfers there?
Mike
Norman OK
I have a c&r ffl. I would send it to your ffl or we could do a face to face transfer.
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Any other takers? I plan on going next week.
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Man I wish I had the money. :'(
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Man I wish I had the money. :'(
It is a bargain at twice the price!
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It is a bargain at twice the price!
I know, but right now I can't even think of anything I'd be willing to sell or trade to come up with the cash. If it were in November I'd do it in a heartbeat. Right now I just don't have the cash. :'( :'( :'(
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MY present plan is to go next friday. I would appreciate it if you could gut me the money in advance if at all possible. I have one payment as of today.
Doug Strong
1 Wooded Lane
Hawthorn Woods, IL 60047
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MY present plan is to go next friday. I would appreciate it if you could gut me the money in advance if at all possible. I have one payment as of today.
Doug Strong
1 Wooded Lane
Hawthorn Woods, IL 60047
Take a bore light with you. Is there a possible price break if you buy more than a certain number?
As I stated, I'm not looking for a shop project . . .
But Dang! it is tempting.
RCJ
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When I joined my local VFW, they had a dozen or so M1903s (Remingtons, straight stock, barrel sights, machined parts) in the storeroom, had'nt been gone thru or fired in over 20 years. I offered to clean them up. They were all dusty, some surface rust, some stocks had light mold! Barrels dirty, hard to make anything out. But it was all storage dirt, not like someone had taken them out and left them in a barn.
They all cleaned up suprisingly well! Bores had some pitting, but all had strong rifling and were quite shootable. Very little wear. Some were prettier than others, but really not a nickles worth of difference between them. I suspect these Krags are the same. My VFW post was founded in 1948. Thus the 03s. Many of the posts set up after WW1 recieved Krags, some only now selling them off. Most of these were well taken care of until 20 or 30 years ago, when it seems most posts got out of the rifle salute buisness. Since then they've been setting in air conditioned posts, gathering dust.
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Take a bore light with you. Is there a possible price break if you buy more than a certain number?
As I stated, I'm not looking for a shop project . . .
But Dang! it is tempting.
RCJ
They will be complete but with some surface rust and potentially rough barrels. There is not further price break he is willing to give. This price is already for buying multiples.
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Good thing I did not read this until prolly too late to get the Gold Dust halfway across the country.
Excellent price.
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If they're not all taken yet, I would like to buy at least one.
And I have an FFL (in NE) if anyone needs help with a transfer.
Mustang Gregg
(402) 429-2277
Wild West Arms, inc.
www.wildwestarms.com
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If they're not all taken yet, I would like to buy at least one.
And I have an FFL (in NE) if anyone needs help with a transfer.
Mustang Gregg
(402) 429-2277
Wild West Arms, inc.
www.wildwestarms.com
It is not too late. Get me your real name.
I hope to go Wednesday or Thursday.
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Good thing I did not read this until prolly too late to get the Gold Dust halfway across the country.
Excellent price.
It is not too late. Let me know if you want one. I hope to go Wednesday or Thursday.
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Hi
I have a couple of questions on this.
Are you pretty sure we're going to be able to get these? If so, I may go ahead and order some brass.
What size primers do these take? My load books are in a different state, but I'm guessing Large Rifle.
Thanks again for doing this. Much cheaper than the Sharps and I just don't want a trapdoor cause it doesn't seem strong enough to me.
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Hi
I have a couple of questions on this.
Are you pretty sure we're going to be able to get these? If so, I may go ahead and order some brass.
What size primers do these take? My load books are in a different state, but I'm guessing Large Rifle.
Thanks again for doing this. Much cheaper than the Sharps and I just don't want a trapdoor cause it doesn't seem strong enough to me.
I believe I will have no trouble getting them but I would hold off buying brass until I have secured it. They do take Large Rifle primers.
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GWS:
I sent you a PM.
Mustang Gregg
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If someone has a good source for 30 40 brass please share it. I can't find much and what I do find is very expensive.
Thanks
Bat
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If someone has a good source for 30 40 brass please share it. I can't find much and what I do find is very expensive.
Thanks
Bat
Hi Bat
Both Graf and MidwayUSA have some 30-40 Krag brass. Winchester and Remington, but Midway is out of the Winchester.
I think I'll order some 170 grain Cast bullets for these.
Later
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Make sure you slug the bore you may need 303 brit bullets. Before I changed barrels shooting 170 grain .308 diameter I could not hit a 16x20 sheet of paper twice in a row at 25 yards. After rebarreling same bullets group under a quarter at 50 yards.
Also 170 grainers may have feeding issues, flat point and all.
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Never loaded for the 30 40 but I have worked with the 170 Gr. lead bullets in an 03 Springfield. I’ve never had anything but bad luck with the lighter bullets. I would suggest something heavier 200 to 210 Gr., 210 is where I ended up with the 30.06.
Happy Trails
Bat
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With the Krag magazine if the cartridge OAL isn't long enough it will jam. I hope Neiderlander will jump in here. He loads for me when he's loading for himself and his loads work well.
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I would not load much shorter than 2.8" oal. Lots of folks have had problems with 150 grainers, mostly because they loaded too short to stack properly in the magazine. The Krag will feed most anything you put in it, as long as you maintain oal. For lead rounds heavier is better, keeps the velocity down and gives plenty of bearing surface.
Grafs, Midwayusa, Midsouth Shooters, Natchez reloading, Gander Mountain, Cabelas, Sportsmans Guide. Try them all, someone (Usualy Grafs) has Krag brass. Its seasonal, grab it when you see it.
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Here ya go:
http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/category/categoryId/764?
Checked the others, this is it. Grab while ya can.
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I made the mistake of trying some 170gr 30-30 bullets in mine once, results were not good. They shot fine.....once I got them in the chamber. Short bullets, for some reason, let the Krag get "rim locked" Requires careful loaing of the magazine, and sometimes they still jam. If they're loaded to the proper length, you can just grab 5 in your hand and drop them in, they'll line up fine.
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Cow Town Scout, who is a member of GAF, is a good man to talk to on the reloading of ammo for the 30-40 Krag.
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I found a little better price on brass here:
http://www.precisionreloading.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=PRE&Category_Code=BRASS_30-40_KRAG (ftp://http://www.precisionreloading.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=PRE&Category_Code=BRASS_30-40_KRAG)
But, I bought the last two bags of 50 they had. They tell me they have more on order but had no idea when it may arrive.
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For long range stuff I use montana bullet works gas checked 210 grainer (got the hot tip from Cow Town Scout). i push them to approx 2100 FPS like the original 220 grain load. With a new barrel .309 or .310 does not seem to matter.
I did have good luck with the 170 grainers from this new barrel but did load them long and not crimped into the groove.
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I've loaded Lyman's 210 grain round nose for years now. I use an overall length of 3.062", and I've never had a failure to feed with my Krag, and I don't think Jerry has either. I use a load of 13 grains of Trail Boss for steel targets, and I've never had an issue with my loads failing to take down a target. Just a real user-friendly load.
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I've loaded Lyman's 210 grain round nose for years now. I use an overall length of 3.062", and I've never had a failure to feed with my Krag, and I don't think Jerry has either. I use a load of 13 grains of Trail Boss for steel targets, and I've never had an issue with my loads failing to take down a target. Just a real user-friendly load.
Hi
Which bullet hardness? Linotype or Heat Treated Alloy?
Thanks
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If I'm using the Trail Boss load, wheel weights seem to be hard enough. Otherwise I'll mix nine pounds of wheel weights with one pound of fifty-fifty solder. I've never had a leading problem with them.
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Good news and Bad news.
The good news is the gun shop owner finally answered his phone today. The bad news is he consigned all the Krags to Rock Island Auctions.
If you sent me money I will send it back today. If you planned on sending me money please hold on to it.
Sorry for getting everyone excited for nothing. :'( :'( :'( :'(
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As the day wears on and my frustration grows I just want to express how disappointed I am. My wife took enough money out of the bank to buy all 20 Krags. Now there is no deal.
The guy tells me he will get more. We will wait and see.
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Thanks, GW!
I sent a reply to the PM.
Still Krag-searching--------
Much obliged,
Mustang Gregg
GAF #64
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Hi Doug
You MAY need to cash mine and send me a return check since it's a bank check.
Thanks for trying
Later
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Hi Doug
You MAY need to cash mine and send me a return check since it's a bank check.
Thanks for trying
Later
No problem. Consider it done.
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He'll get MORE!? Well, let me know, I'll want one.
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He'll get MORE!? Well, let me know, I'll want one.
So he says... but he is a flake. Next time he says he gets some I will see if I can get him to COMMIT to the sale.
I had enough cash in hand to buy all 20 and I was ready to go as soon as he returned my call. How disappointing!
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If he gets more we need to be ready to buy them on the spot. I'm in if he comes up with any more. I'll throw the money back in the bank earmarked for this project so It will be there when you call for it. You'll need to cash my check as well as it was a bank check made out to you.
Thanks for thinking of the rest of us.
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Sounds to me like a classic case of someone's greed overcoming their ethics. As far as getting more of them, I sort of doubt any VFW ever HAD more than twenty. Besides, if he backed out on a deal once, why would I think he'd have developed any more character in the interval?
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Echo that :'(
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If something seems too good to be true....................... :P