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CAS TOPICS => The Darksider's Den => Topic started by: Robert Swartz on September 08, 2020, 09:42:45 PM
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After unloading 120-125 bullets with blue lube. Boiling out the blue lube then relubing with SPG. Then doing a run of 30 shots simulating a 6 round match at the local NCOWS shoot. Pistol was no dirtier than your typical C&B revolver. So, no more smokeless lubed bullets, lol. Can pretty much shoot anything I can get my hands on if I'm willing to put in the work. Just for sh!+$ and grins, does anyone know about the green lube that I've seen on some bullets?
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I use SPG for smoke less and black, saves me keeping track of what has what.
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I use SPG for smoke less and black, saves me keeping track of what has what.
Kent, my mistake was loading blue lube smokeless bullets with BP. Big mistake. Yeah, SPG can be used for either powder.
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Blue / green / red lube all pretty much the same thing: smokeless wax lube. That's commercial bullets, and I suppose that some folk's BP lube might have some color. Desperado Cowboy Bullets has a blue lube that they claim is okay for smokeless or black. That is possible I suppose, but my experience with those bullets in 45 Colt and 32-20 was that they work a LOT better with my homemade lube.
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Easiest way to remove smokiless lube is put em in the oven at 150-170 degrees on an old cookie pan that has a couple layers of news paper or paper towel on it. Melts the lube right off.
wM1
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Easiest way to remove smokiless lube is put em in the oven at 150-170 degrees on an old cookie pan that has a couple layers of news paper or paper towel on it. Melts the lube right off.
wM1
With the bullets laying on their sides, wicks out the lube quickly. As an aside, those newspapers with the waxy spots on them make great fire-starters!
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THANK YOU Wildman and Abilene, I just gave your smokeless lube removal process a try, BEAUTIFUL! I'm sure I tried melting that crap off in the oven at low temp before but wasn't happy with the results, maybe the laying on the side thing is key? Also pretty sure I didn't have newspaper underneath before either. The "firestarter" may even come in handy this weekend.
B.N.S.
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THANK YOU Wildman and Abilene, I just gave your smokeless lube removal process a try, BEAUTIFUL! I'm sure I tried melting that crap off in the oven at low temp before but wasn't happy with the results, maybe the laying on the side thing is key? Also pretty sure I didn't have newspaper underneath before either. The "firestarter" may even come in handy this weekend.
B.N.S.
Hmm, firestarter, another old trick I use, dryer lint. Back when eggs came in cardboard cartons. We'd cut up the cups, fill them with lint and the melted wax from old candles. I've also used the paper drink trays. Next time I do bullets, will try this oven method.
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Avoid the heavy crust fouling. Use Big Lube® bullets lube/sized with PL-II or some other fine BP lube. Your barrel will be wetted to the muzzle and the fouling will disappear with a spritz of Moosemilk and a tug of the bore snake. Presto pronto, you're good for a whole match with no fouling issues.
DD-MDA
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Avoid the heavy crust fouling. Use Big Lube® bullets lube/sized with PL-II or some other fine BP lube. Your barrel will be wetted to the muzzle and the fouling will disappear with a spritz of Moosemilk and a tug of the bore snake. Presto pronto, you're good for a whole match with no fouling issues.
DD-MDA
Greetings Dick!
GOOD to see you back and beating the ol' drum!
Us drummers has gots to stick together.
Now if only I could find my box of picture postcards I could beat the drum for them....
I am about to try my Big Lube .250 gr RNFP in my .45 ACP 1911 and semi-auto carbine!
yhs
Prof Marvel
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Back when eggs came in cardboard cartons.
"Back when they came"? ??? ??? Still do--at least in my 10-20!!! Do see em in stores and get them at times in steer-o-foam' (how my Dad said it), but pretty common to see em in the paper containers. We get eggs alot from a local farmers. We used to save the soft cardboard/paper containers for her so she could sell her eggs. She finally advised no need to anymore, had over abundance. I tossed probably two dozen of the cardboard containers on my burn pile and that was only around a year ago.
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The cardboard egg cartons used to be the ticket for "soundproofing" a room.
Back to the lube, I just finished day 1 (5 stages) of the Texas SASS BP championship with my usual loads, pistols 125gr TC with no lube over about 19gr of FFFg Goex. Butter-flavor Crisco over the first two rounds, like I've done for 20 years now. Rifle is .357 with same 125gr pill lubed with my mix on a lubrisizer over a little more FFFg than the .38's. I shoot this rifle at the bigger matches because it is short stroked. At locals more often the 44-40 for BP. Anyway, no problems with fouling, as usual. Spray some Ballistol in the bores and cylinders before putting in the car, easy clean at home. The caveats are that it is only a 19" barrel and it is usually fairly humid around here, though not always. This has always worked for me and is super easy (well, since I got the lubrisizer! Pan lubing was a hassle). And I like easy, being as lazy efficient as possible. Now, if I ever got into casting, and it could happen some day, I would most assuredly be casting big-lube bullets. I mean, why not? Though all my rifles are 20" or less, I don't doubt I'll have some longer ones. Need a Henry, after all. I recall years ago when some of these big-lubes were pretty new, Three Legged Dog got one for his .45 '73. He showed a picture of a target that he shot at 50 yards, 50 rounds shot standing off-hand at a fairly rapid pace, and the group was mostly about the size of a volleyball. Tore the middle out. Pretty impressive. I recall he started with SPG but said they used so much of it that it was costing a lot, so he switched to a homemade lube.
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:) HA!! and WELL NOW ;)
I have a pertinent patent solution to this particular perplexing problem. No Crust. See!! Simple. No lube, No hassle, No Crusty stuff. None. Nada. Nine. How you say?? Well Now .........
APP. APP requires no lube. None. Nada. Nix. Nine. ZERO. No lube cookies. No Big Lube bullets, No lube over the Ball. No custom mixes. No SPG. In fact, Bullets with smokeless crayon lube can be shot with no ill effects. Do it alla time. Recently finished a three day (A real THREE day) annual match with Cap Guns, and a .45 Rifle. 160 rounds. NO LUBES. Cleanup took about 15 minutes per gun. No sweatie da. Rifle was quicker. Spritz of watter donna barrel, wet patch, dry patch, Oily patch. DONE.
I do acknowledge I do Anneal my 45 Schofield cases and have ZERO Blow-By inna rifle which makes after match cleaning a SNAP!! Think you OD #3.
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Yeah, yeah, APP is fine for wanna-be's ;D But where's the boom and flame?
edit: and the proper smell as well, hehe.
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No fad smokeless and no fake BP for me, either! It's the real thing or nuthin'!
Not to mention the real thing is MUCH more accurate for long range rifles............
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Better for "Long Range you Say." Smoke and mirrors say I. I shoot long range (15 - 20 yards) with superb accuracy. Arumpff. So There. Take THAT!!
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Well damn, he showed us. :D
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Spent the morning beating up my 75 yard target with my 1860 Henry using .45 CAS cases loaded with APP to the base of an 180 grain normal lube bullet. All in all 46 rounds fired pulled a wet bore snake through, a wet patch, dry patch and clean oil and back in the rack.
Real black in the hand guns, but love that APP in the rifle.
No crust no nothing APP likes petroleum lube or a bare bullet too.
Ask Coffinmaker he knows.
Respectfully
Bunk
P.S. made a pretty good percentage of hits shooting standing on my hind legs like a man ought to shoot.
Benches are made to sit on and have an adult beverage after shooting.
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:) YEPPER :)
PLUS ONE too BUNK ;D
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:) Well Hey Abilene ;)
Um Ah Wanna-Be . . . . WHAT?? Lemmie see here. Easier to Clean. Easier to load ie: No pesky lube cookies, No expensive Big Lube bullets, No nuisance lube patches under the Ball. No greasy glob of grease over the Ball.
I do admit, no great gout of flame. I don't miss that. Can't see it from behind the gun anyway. I get plenty of KAPOW :D and I bet I get more smoke.
Wanna-Be it a bunch simpler and it is. Wanna-Be FUN!! You Betcha.
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Oh sure it's fun! In my web article on loading BP and subs, I say "Subs are fun. BP is funner." ;D IMO, of course.
I actually have 100 rounds of .38 loaded with APP that I expect to shoot in the rifle at a 2-day match next week, as I'm not going to have time to load up any BP.
Almost none of the smokeless shooters will know the difference, unless a BP shooter comes up right after an APP shooter. And many wouldn't even notice then. But I'm not most. :)
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:) Nanny Nanny Poo Poo ;)
Makin Smoke is FUN . . . . No matter how ya do it ;D
PS: Sadly, in my neck of the woods there aren't enough CAS shooters left to make a bulk BP buy economic.
PSS: Hadda fix this post TWICE!! I ever mention I hate "Otto Correct??"
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Well now Pilgrim....let's stretch it out to 500 to 1,000 yards! ::)
Subs are made with some type of organic acid (such as ascorbic acid). Much more corrosive than real black if not cleaned promptly.
I can clean any rifle with 3 or 4 patches and one pull of a bore snake. Real simple.
Granted, you realistically need to cast bullets if you shoot much volume, but i enjoy it so I don't consider it a hardship. Gives me an excuse to get out of the house and into the man cave :o :o
And let's not forget the fun of the smoke and boom and choking posse members. And you can fog the south Texas mosquitoes off the stage for your pards! ;D
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After unloading 120-125 bullets with blue lube. Boiling out the blue lube then relubing with SPG. Then doing a run of 30 shots simulating a 6 round match at the local NCOWS shoot. Pistol was no dirtier than your typical C&B revolver. So, no more smokeless lubed bullets, lol. Can pretty much shoot anything I can get my hands on if I'm willing to put in the work. Just for sh!+$ and grins, does anyone know about the green lube that I've seen on some bullets?
I am currently loading some .45 Colts with bullets with that green lube. I have shot a few, and they seemed to work just fine, but that was with Unique powder. Not black powder. For bullets that I cast myself, I like the SPG lube, and it works just fine with smokeless powder.
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I am currently loading some .45 Colts with bullets with that green lube. I have shot a few, and they seemed to work just fine, but that was with Unique powder. Not black powder. For bullets that I cast myself, I like the SPG lube, and it works just fine with smokeless powder.
....my running buddy has loaded a bunch of the green lubed bullets with BP. So far they shoot fine, no excessive cleaning issues. We are kicking around a winter shoot with our Ncows group in Feb. I may try a few of them then.
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....my running buddy has loaded a bunch of the green lubed bullets with BP. So far they shoot fine, no excessive cleaning issues. We are kicking around a winter shoot with our Ncows group in Feb. I may try a few of them then.
Thank you. That is good to know. I really want to get into the black powder shooting. I've got GOEX 2f and 3f, but I am not comfortable experimenting with it based on the primer shortage. I am not out of primers, but dangerously low.
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Thank you. That is good to know. I really want to get into the black powder shooting. I've got GOEX 2f and 3f, but I am not comfortable experimenting with it based on the primer shortage. I am not out of primers, but dangerously low.
....that's my buddies concern. Finding primers?