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The Barracks / Re: Raffle
« Last post by Major 2 on Yesterday at 11:49:50 PM »Who was the lucky winner ?
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Shotguns / Re: Are '87's having a moment?
« Last post by Abilene on Yesterday at 11:29:03 PM »SASS default is to load no more than 2, but many clubs including most around here, state "87's and 97's may be stoked on the clock" in the stage instructions.
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Shotguns / Re: Are '87's having a moment?
« Last post by Reverend P. Babcock Chase on Yesterday at 10:38:10 PM »Howdy Again Fellers,
Regarding a full mag on an '87 (or '97) vs SXS, I shoot both I do have a '97 for Wild Bunch only). I don't know whether I shoot one quicker although I believe that, due to the occasional '87 train wreck, I'm better off with the SXS. Oh yeah, to the point, I don't see why guys who's shotguns have magazine shouldn't be allowed to use a full mag if they want, as long as they start the stage with and open and empty gun.
Rev. Chase
ps. I'm not sure but I think that is allowed.
Regarding a full mag on an '87 (or '97) vs SXS, I shoot both I do have a '97 for Wild Bunch only). I don't know whether I shoot one quicker although I believe that, due to the occasional '87 train wreck, I'm better off with the SXS. Oh yeah, to the point, I don't see why guys who's shotguns have magazine shouldn't be allowed to use a full mag if they want, as long as they start the stage with and open and empty gun.
Rev. Chase
ps. I'm not sure but I think that is allowed.
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Shotguns / Re: Are '87's having a moment?
« Last post by Macon Due on Yesterday at 05:49:12 PM »RRio
That sounds great! I never understood not allowing magazine shotguns to be fully loaded. If the dbl. barrel guys feel handicapped by that they can always switch to one themselves.
Macon Due 29445
That sounds great! I never understood not allowing magazine shotguns to be fully loaded. If the dbl. barrel guys feel handicapped by that they can always switch to one themselves.
Macon Due 29445
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Shotguns / Re: Are '87's having a moment?
« Last post by RRio on Yesterday at 03:42:21 PM »Reverend
I must agree we are on basically the same page. Almost. The "Go Fast" '87 guys and gals, whom have invested in the appropriate action work and the fabled "Drop Two" mod are able to demonstrate some real speed. Doesn't change the fact, an '87 just ain't a Hammer Double. SO:
I am a firm believer, it matters NOT how well or fast you shoot, so long as you look REALLY REALLY good doing it. It's a GAME and STYLE matters you betcha!!
Where I shoot, we can load 87's to the max the way they were supposed to be shot. The same with 97's. No penalty for not shooting a SxS.
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Cas City Historical Society / Re: Anyone have extensive use of a carbine on horseback?
« Last post by Mogorilla on Yesterday at 11:16:04 AM »Go a bit further back and guerillas, I do not really remember reading much about carbines with them. I read shotguns, then pistols, lots and lots of pistols.
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Cas City Historical Society / Re: Anyone have extensive use of a carbine on horseback?
« Last post by Niederlander on Yesterday at 10:51:36 AM »The Army went to a scabbard for a couple of reasons. The old carbine sling and socket did absolutely nothing to protect the piece, and it also pretty much ensured the carbine stock would be broken and the trooper injured if he was thrown while wearing it. Personally, me being on a horse, especially if I tried to fire a firearm while there, would be extremely bad for both me and the horse!
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Cas City Historical Society / Re: Anyone have extensive use of a carbine on horseback?
« Last post by St. George on Yesterday at 10:26:18 AM »The saddle ring was a military thing, back when it was used in conjunction with a sling across the body.
That way, the trooper could fire the single round - drop the piece and yet retain it to reload to try again.
The Cavalry actually practiced this and trained for it - as they did with trained mounts - that's something civilians generally did not do.
Also - Cavalry fought dismounted - using a horse handler to handle the reins during the action - they fully understood that a standing or kneeling man could probably actually hit his target without the pitching and movement of a horse.
Weapon retention was a valuable idea - no doubt leading to the inclusion of saddle rings on carbines later in time, but there were no corresponding slings - largely because the weapon now used a scabbard, instead of the loop of the saddle's equipment that held the barrel in one place.
The military discontinued used of the ring around 1896, with the first of the Krag carbines - it stayed on civilian carbines to this day.
Unless the horse has been trained to ignore gunfire, his appreciation of hearing the round being fired is less than optimal, so if you're going to take that shot - better get screwed down...
Scouts Out!
That way, the trooper could fire the single round - drop the piece and yet retain it to reload to try again.
The Cavalry actually practiced this and trained for it - as they did with trained mounts - that's something civilians generally did not do.
Also - Cavalry fought dismounted - using a horse handler to handle the reins during the action - they fully understood that a standing or kneeling man could probably actually hit his target without the pitching and movement of a horse.
Weapon retention was a valuable idea - no doubt leading to the inclusion of saddle rings on carbines later in time, but there were no corresponding slings - largely because the weapon now used a scabbard, instead of the loop of the saddle's equipment that held the barrel in one place.
The military discontinued used of the ring around 1896, with the first of the Krag carbines - it stayed on civilian carbines to this day.
Unless the horse has been trained to ignore gunfire, his appreciation of hearing the round being fired is less than optimal, so if you're going to take that shot - better get screwed down...
Scouts Out!
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SCORRS / Re: Sixgun Spotlight - A New Series On My Channel
« Last post by DeaconKC on April 25, 2024, 08:53:25 PM »Rube did a fine job, check it out.
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Frontier Iron / Re: Something Wonderful My Way Cometh....
« Last post by Tuolumne Lawman on April 25, 2024, 02:56:12 PM »Absolutely wonderful revolvers! Shot pretty much dead on with 246 grain .44 Russian factory duplication loads (5.3 grains of Unique). Never dropped a shot. Next is the annual match at Railroad Flat in the end of May. Thats a 12 stage match with side matches. That will wring them out thoroughly for part two of the article.
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