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Title: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: DeaconKC on March 18, 2018, 09:08:09 PM
It cost me a C96 Mauser Broomhandle, but tomorrow I pick up an A-O 1927 Tommy with the 100 round mag! I've always loved both versions of the Tommy and never thought I would own either, but now I have both! WOOHOO!
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Border Ruffian on March 21, 2018, 12:12:36 PM
Awesome!!!! and congratulations!

A 100 round C drum will be interesting!  ;D
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: DeaconKC on March 21, 2018, 09:05:20 PM
Thank you! Yeah, with having to use the Third Hand piece, I'm wondering if I won't be better running stick mags! Also, trying to figure out if I would be better off trading the 100 round drum for a couple of 50s. Any suggestions or observations will be welcome.
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Pitspitr on March 22, 2018, 08:37:51 AM
I only have a 50 round drum, But I can say that I like the sticks better. Not only are they quicker to change, but my drum seems to jam a lot.
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Bat 2919 on March 22, 2018, 02:43:16 PM
The drums work much better with FMJ ammo.  If you're using lead bullets sticks are the only way to go.  

On the other hand the drum is the cat's meow when you're getting your picture taken, I think of my drums as expensive photo props.
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: DeaconKC on March 22, 2018, 04:34:53 PM
Thanks for the input! Hopefully I can work out a trade for that 100 round beast, looks great, but I like the 50s better. And I will just use the sticks for actual shooting.
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Pitspitr on March 23, 2018, 06:15:35 AM
The drums work much better with FMJ ammo.  If you're using lead bullets sticks are the only way to go.  
I found that out the hard way and seldom shoot FMJ.

On the other hand the drum is the cat's meow when you're getting your picture taken, I think of my drums as expensive photo props.
;D +1
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: DeaconKC on March 23, 2018, 07:33:00 PM
You guys have been great in your help. On another, less pleasant topic, I started a backup AZSA page on Gunbook in case Facebook gets really crazy.  https://www.airgunbook.com/Americanzootshootersassociation
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Capt Quirk on March 24, 2018, 08:13:31 PM
On the other hand the drum is the cat's meow when you're getting your picture taken, I think of my drums as expensive photo props.
ROFL! Thank you sir, that gave me quite a belly laugh!
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Baltimore Ed on March 27, 2018, 11:31:22 AM
Since you won't show us yours I'll show you mine. It's a .45 acp with a Cutts comp, finned bbl and all Thompson wood. Close but no cigar. And a lot of fun to shoot.
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: DeaconKC on March 27, 2018, 12:54:37 PM
Ed, that is a bit different flavor! Kind of like Bettie Page and Betty Grable!
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: DeaconKC on March 27, 2018, 01:41:53 PM
Allright! Finally got a hosting service! (https://i.imgur.com/eM3MoXv.jpg)
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Bat 2919 on March 27, 2018, 02:11:37 PM
Ed,

That looks like an AR style buffer spring tube the stock is attached to, is it?  The more I look at it, that's a modified AR receiver as well.

That's a new one on me as well, who made it and what do they cost?
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun
Post by: Baltimore Ed on March 27, 2018, 07:10:23 PM
Bat, you are most correct sir and I built it. It's a DPMS slickside upper, a CNC Enterprises dedicated greasegun mag lower, Olympic Arms bolt and barrel, a WW2 Cutts compensator from Belgium and Thompson wood. It took forever to find a guy to machine the fins into the bbl. My buddy used his mini lathe to drill and tap the Cutts so that it screwed onto the bbl. The bbl threads are inside of the Cutts. I had a local custom moulding wood shop router the buttstock for the buffer tube extension. I inlet the grip onto the lower and built the gripmount for the vertical grip. There also was a bunch of tinkering with buffer springs as the extension is shorter than normal. There is a shroud on the bbl nut now. The drum is from an airsoft gun with the guts removed and a cutdown greasegun mag installed. Overall, this build took a few years.
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: DeaconKC on March 27, 2018, 07:15:27 PM
Ed, I am a machinist's son, grew up in a job shop. That is some fine work! Well done, kudos, etc!
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Baltimore Ed on March 27, 2018, 07:34:42 PM
Very nice Tommy there Deacon, especially like the Luger in the pix. A neat toy for a Zoot Shooter.I put 100 rds through a M3 WW2 Thompson at an indoor range in Maryland a few years ago before my Tommy build. It was a lot of fun so I started looking around for one. I found a rebuild sbr in Texas but didn't jump. As I had built a forward charger .45 SBR I decided to build my own version of a Thompson. Not as nice as yours but a one of for sure.
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Major 2 on March 28, 2021, 08:28:00 AM
Resected old thread  :-X

Yesterday's visit to my friendly LGS ... netted this find > early West Hurley 1927 A5

I hesitated a year & 1/2 ago on a Karr 1927 rifle , as the bean count in my sock drawer could not reach the asking price.
It sold before I got the added scratch... such is the way it goes  :-\

this time, the planets aligned .... Price was great  8)  , I had the ducks in the drawer ...boom ! done 
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Baltimore Ed on March 28, 2021, 09:30:55 AM
Good thing that you didn’t get the Kahr. I’ve read about a lot of negative issues. The older AO WH guns are better but still need tweaking.
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Major 2 on March 28, 2021, 10:04:38 AM
I think, it was a post from you,  Pittspiter or someone on the Zoot BB that mentions Karr unreliability ...I retained the mention but not the actual issue .
When I saw this was an West Hurley I was pleased...

Thanks for the support from all , 1/2 the fun is the learning
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Baltimore Ed on March 28, 2021, 12:29:14 PM
Machinegunboards can answer any questions you might have as they have a sub forum just about AO and Kahr guns. Even though mine was used it still had the too stiff oem dual recoil springs. I replaced mine and added the buffer which made it tons easier to operate. Got rid of the huge bolt knob in favor of the more correct checkered ball.
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Major 2 on March 28, 2021, 03:28:34 PM
Yes Sir, I been over to the MG Forum on the AO-Karr Thread still reading  :)
I'm gathering some knowledge as to what to ask....
I see mentioned there is a fellow named "Dan" who is the resident go to smith.

Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Baltimore Ed on March 28, 2021, 05:46:34 PM
Dan is the guy who sbr’ed my tommy and did some extra mods to make it easier to dismount the gun. He knows his stuff.
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Bat 2919 on March 29, 2021, 09:57:00 AM
So, who is "Dan" and where is he located?
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Major 2 on March 29, 2021, 10:10:27 AM
So, who is "Dan" and where is he located?

I'm just fumbling my way around the MachineGunBoard.com I think he is deerslayer over there  :-\

I sign up but I can't get the site to work when I'm logged on ...just browsing it works, unless I sign-on then it doesn't work  ???
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Baltimore Ed on March 29, 2021, 12:12:21 PM
Dan Block aka deerslayer is a great Thompson gunsmith at Machinegunboards. Did my sbr bbl swap, cutts compensator switch, removable stock and dismount machining on my AO WH 1927.
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Major 2 on April 22, 2021, 01:45:57 PM
Considering trading my A5  :-\

I have hankering for a K98 

Edit : Thought better of it , I'll continue to  play with it  :)  still may come across a a K98 though
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: DeaconKC on April 22, 2021, 03:05:10 PM
Well, if you do decide to part with it, you should have no problem getting the Mauser you want.
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Major 2 on April 22, 2021, 05:02:32 PM
The issue is, I have arthritis in my right hand , mostly my ring & little finger.
Makes it tough handle the Thompson....  :(

Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: DeaconKC on April 22, 2021, 07:16:26 PM
Are you speaking of how hard it is to cock? Do you have a lightened spring kit in it? If not, I have one I can send you to see if it will help.
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Major 2 on April 22, 2021, 11:23:06 PM
No ...but I was going to have Dan Block carry that out also the no tool take down tab...

But both USPS & UPS shipping was $54 shipping one way < I pulled the wood and repacked in a cut down box and it was still $49
insured  ::)   all in all round trip & the install would be $250  :o
That's fool hardy @ 150 + 100 shipping...so I passed ....

Actually its not the spring but the holding & handlining, it is rather heavy and my R hand grip hold is "weak " ...I have to support it with just the Right hand to pull back the bolt ...and there is the problem,  I can shoot it because it has the vertical front grip...It is just uncomfortable to handle with my right and I fear I haven't got good control.
In the vain, " it hurts when I do that"...so don't do that   ::)

I can bench my  Milsurp's*  and support pistols with my left hand but I fear CAS lever actions (NCOWS)  is out of the question, until either the swelling  gets better or ? 

I am contemplating letting it go on down the road  :(


*  I load my own reduced rounds in 30/40 , 30'06 and 303 Brit


Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Baltimore Ed on April 23, 2021, 07:50:39 AM
Sorry that your Thompson is not working out for you Major deux. I tried mine [an all steel gun] without the buttstock once and it definitely was a handful. Also have the arthur, sometimes its hurting my knees, sometimes my hands, getting old ain’t for wussies.
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: DeaconKC on April 23, 2021, 11:04:49 AM
Send me your address via PM, I have an extra kit I will get out to you.
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Major 2 on April 23, 2021, 11:12:12 AM
Thanks..... I've had it in my knees too... getting old is not for the immature  :-\


 course on the other hand ( no pun intended ) maybe my right hand will get better.


 
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Cap'n Redneck on April 23, 2021, 11:18:52 AM
If You're having problems holding it, why not sling it...?
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: DeaconKC on April 23, 2021, 11:24:11 AM
Holding it is not the problem, the factory springs are HORRENDOUS! It literally often takes setting the gun on a counter and pulling with both hands to cock the gun.
Title: Re: New Tommy Gun!
Post by: Baltimore Ed on April 23, 2021, 12:07:43 PM
That was the first thing that I did to my gun, did some research for the lighter springs and ordered them and buffer material from McMaster Carr. I was also getting weird primer indentations on my fired brass too but now they look normal. Swapped out the very necessary huge knob [with oem springs] with a correct checkered ball that works fine with the reduced springs.