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Special Interests - Groups & Societies => The Winchester Model 1873 => Topic started by: BrickwallJackson on January 23, 2023, 06:07:56 PM

Title: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: BrickwallJackson on January 23, 2023, 06:07:56 PM
Hey Y'all,

I've been lurking for quite awhile but I finally have something to post about. About two years ago or more, I ended up with an original 3rd Model 73 frame, and I decided to build a full rifle off of it. You know. . ."for fun". LOL

Anyway, I managed to acquire all the parts I needed as original items, the only new parts being the barrel, the toggles and the wood. Other than that, she's 100% real.

Since this is my first 73, I thought I would ask the experts a couple of basic questions:


I'm an avid shooter, but my experience is more with military bolt action rifles and of course, the dreaded black guns. I shot a friend's Model 94 one time and I was hooked.

So here are a few pictures. I have ordered a Smokey Mountain front sight, and I need to get a rear sight for it but she's almost ready to go:

Title: Re: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: Abilene on January 23, 2023, 07:05:11 PM
What a great project, and awesome wood!  The original '73's operating instructions say “There are three springs that may lose their tension by long use, viz., the “main spring,” the spring that holds up the finger-lever, called the “finger-lever spring,” and the spring that holds up the carrier-lever, called the “carrier-lever spring.”  Each of these has a set-screw, the heads of which are outside on the underside of the frame.  By turning these up the tension can be increased to the necessary strength or stiffness.” This indicates that, unlike modern reproductions which are over-sprung, the spring screws were not tightened all the way on originals.  If they are tight, then backing them out some will make a big difference.  If you go too far on the screws on the bottom, the carrier will start hanging up and the lever will start flopping.  Tighten them back up until it functions properly.  Make sure the main spring strain screw is backed out.  And you can shim the main spring with a washer between the spring and the lower tang to lighten that one.
Title: Re: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: BrickwallJackson on January 23, 2023, 08:10:54 PM
Hey thanks for the info! Cool, I'll check it out. Kinda feels a little like the elevator is "hanging" a little bit. The lever is kinda hard to work but then. . .my tender hands are not used to lever guns!  ;D  Bolt guns are way easier on the hands. . .except for the punishing recoil (8mm Mauser will rattle your teeth loose)

I'll play with the two screws on the bottom of the frame in front of the lever first. The mainspring feels pretty good. . .I don't like to dry fire my guns if I can help it but it seems okay.
Title: Re: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: Buckaroo Lou on January 24, 2023, 01:48:58 PM
Man, thus far you have done a fantastic job.

I use a bit of Lubriplate grease where the springs ride against what ever it is they are providing tension for. I use a light gun oil on the pivot joints of the toggles. I also use a bit of Lubriplate in the toggle link troughs where the lever pin rides.
Title: Re: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: BrickwallJackson on January 24, 2023, 05:34:12 PM
Man, thus far you have done a fantastic job.

I use a bit of Lubriplate grease where the springs ride against what ever it is they are providing tension for. I use a light gun oil on the pivot joints of the toggles. I also use a bit of Lubriplate in the toggle link troughs where the lever pin rides.

Hey thanks for the info and the compliment, man! Appreciate it. I have attached pictures of the lubricant that I'm using, as well as what I THINK is a missing screw.

Also. . .I have noticed that the screw which keeps the finger lever in place backs out occasionally. I'm guessing I can just put a little blue locktite on the threads at the end to keep it in place?

Again, thanks for the info! This forum is very cool.
Title: Re: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: Abilene on January 24, 2023, 07:02:58 PM
The missing screw on the bottom tang is the main spring strain screw.  You don't need it unless you have light strikes and need to increase the hammer spring tension.
Title: Re: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: BrickwallJackson on January 27, 2023, 04:52:49 PM
Thanks for all the info, y'all. Just an update, I took her to my gunsmith today and did a successful test fire. She times up just right and goes bang.

I fitted a front sight so now I just need to install a proper rear sight and replace the missing screws.
Title: Re: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: Baltimore Ed on January 27, 2023, 09:53:10 PM
A beautiful build, very impressive. My real ‘73 is a musket from 1891.  A leather lever wrap will make the lever easier to cycle by making the lever bigger [wider] and giving you more leverage. Makes it gentler on the knuckles too.
Title: Re: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: Coffinmaker on January 28, 2023, 09:09:59 AM
 :)  Brickwall  ;)

Nice Job rebuilding your rifle.  80% of the resistance felt in the Finger Lever is from the Main Spring that powers the hammer.  20% is from the two springs that retain the lever in the closed position and hold the carrier block up.

If you wish to reduce the effort on the finger lever, first source another Main Spring and than reduce one of the main springs.  Reduce it very CAREFULLY. Reduce it too much and you get light primer strikes.  I suggest leaving the side springs alone.  Since you're not a CAS player, extensive spring grinding is not necessary nor recommended.


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Title: Re: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: BrickwallJackson on January 28, 2023, 08:34:21 PM
A beautiful build, very impressive. My real ‘73 is a musket from 1891.  A leather lever wrap will make the lever easier to cycle by making the lever bigger [wider] and giving you more leverage. Makes it gentler on the knuckles too.

Thanks brother! A 73 musket is a rare bird, do you shoot it? I keep forgetting they tried selling them to the military. Thanks for the tip on the leather wrap, I'll give that a try. Though, since lubricating this thing it seems to be slicking up.
Title: Re: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: BrickwallJackson on January 28, 2023, 08:48:28 PM
:)  Brickwall  ;)

Nice Job rebuilding our rifle.  80% of the resistance felt in the Finger Lever is from the Main Spring that powers the hammer.  20% is from the two springs that retain the lever in the closed position and hold the carrier block up.

If you wish to reduce the effort on the finger lever, first source another Main Spring and than reduce one of the main springs.  Reduce it very CAREFULLY. Reduce it too much and you get light primer strikes.  I suggest leaving the side springs alone.  Since you're not a CAS player, extensive spring grinding is not necessary nor recommended.


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Thanks man! Yeah, I tweaked it just a little bit and coupled with lubing it a little, made it much easier to work. I'm getting the hang of it. I like your idea on the mainspring, I'll keep that in mind if I ever feel like I need to lighten it up any more.

One thing I am finding is that ammo is in short supply. That is honestly a surprise. . .before the late unpleasantness you could find 44-40 all over the place. I'm shooting Buffalo Bore out of it, and it's a stout round that really gives you a sense of why this rifle was used by so many for so long. I'd hate to be downrange of this thing. Recoil is not even an issue compared to what I'm used to. This thing is a pleasure to shoot, and a work of art. They really knew how to make them back in the day.

I had some knucklehead say to me (derisively): "Huh. That's only a 100 yard deer rifle at best." 

I told him: "Buddy, I don't wanna walk that far."  ;D
Title: Re: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: DeaconKC on January 28, 2023, 09:13:39 PM
Check out Choice Ammo. Good quality stuff.
Title: Re: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: BrickwallJackson on January 28, 2023, 09:52:43 PM
Check out Choice Ammo. Good quality stuff.

I'm on their waiting list. They're out of stock like everybody else. Good to know that they are quality, though!
Title: Re: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: Coffinmaker on January 29, 2023, 09:49:37 AM

 :) Brickwall  ;)

I just love Know-It-All clowns who spout off a remark like that.  Probably never entered their tiny little brain that 80 - 90 percent of deer are take at well under 100 yards.  You see most of those idiots wandering around with some form of Magnum sporting the biggest scope they can find.  Which of course, they usually never sight in.


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Title: Re: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: David Battersby on January 29, 2023, 10:18:35 AM
BrickWall

It is my experience that the 44WCF loaded with a case full of Swiss 2F or Reloder 7 with a 30-1 alloy bullet is rather impressive.  I shot lever action silhouette with one for years. 200 meters off hand, no sling, no support knocking over rams.     200 yards with a rest it would easily be a deer harvesting machine.
Title: Re: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: Coffinmaker on January 29, 2023, 07:03:04 PM

 :) ALL  ;)

I would like to share, at my age, I can't SEE a deer at 200 yards let alone shoot at one.  Scope or no scope.  If you can see the critter, as David Battersby commented, a 44-40 will serve just fine, thank you.


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Title: Re: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: BrickwallJackson on January 29, 2023, 09:07:08 PM
:) ALL  ;)

I would like to share, at my age, I can't SEE a deer at 200 yards let alone shoot at one.  Scope or no scope.  If you can see the critter, as David Battersby commented, a 44-40 will serve just fine, thank you.


People ARE Hazardous to Yer Health

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!!

Well played sir, well played indeed.  ;D
Title: Re: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: BrickwallJackson on February 15, 2023, 07:07:34 PM
Hey Y'all,

Okay, so I got front and rear sights installed. Gonna take her out and get her zero'd, however I noticed. . .

I CANNOT see the front sight! It disappears completely in daylight!!!

Is this a thing? I'm used to black iron sights on military rifles so maybe I need to just blacken it?  Is it because the barrel is so long? I mean, I think the Gew 98 Mausers I used to shoot were at least 26" or more. . .



Title: Re: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: Major 2 on February 15, 2023, 07:17:40 PM
I have that same sight on my short rifle... or at least very nearly same

I took a black sharpie and marked the thin edge black, works well enough a CAS distances.
Title: Re: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: BrickwallJackson on February 15, 2023, 07:26:11 PM
I have that same sight on my short rifle... or at least very nearly same

I took a black sharpie and marked the thin edge black, works well enough a CAS distances.

Good idea! Yeah, I'm not going to be hunting with it and at short ranges, that will work fine! Thanks man!
Title: Re: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: Baltimore Ed on February 15, 2023, 09:30:28 PM
Thanks brother! A 73 musket is a rare bird, do you shoot it? I keep forgetting they tried selling them to the military. Thanks for the tip on the leather wrap, I'll give that a try. Though, since lubricating this thing it seems to be slicking up.
Yes I do with mild .44-40 smokeless loads.
Title: Re: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: King Medallion on February 15, 2023, 10:04:10 PM
I have a front sight exactly like that, came off a Kentucky muzzleloading rifle, been sittn' on the shelf of my toolbox for 20 years or more.
Title: Re: First Time 73 Owner
Post by: BrickwallJackson on February 20, 2023, 05:00:22 PM
UPDATE:

Okay, so it occurred to me that the front sight I installed is often called "German Silver" which, of course, is nickel. I noticed that mine was heavily oxidized, so I polished it up with some Flitz and I have to say the light catches it MUCH better now. I'm actually able to acquire a decent sight picture.

Has that been y'all's experience as well? Makes sense to me that you would want that front blade to stand out. Seems like it's easier to pick up in a shadow as well.

I'll report back once I have this thing zero'd in.