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Special Interests - Groups & Societies => The Winchester Model 1876 => Topic started by: larryo_1 on May 11, 2008, 05:04:23 PM
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Tame Bill:
I got a '76 with a 28" barrel. What Marbles front sight did you get? Height and width. I don't like my front sight that came with the rifle and painted the rear with white paint to help. Got a Smith rear on order from BA. The one that came with the rifle from Uberti won't stay in one position shot for shot and is a pain in the Buttocks! So can you give some info? :)
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Tame Bill:
I got a '76 with a 28" barrel. What Marbles front sight did you get? Height and width. I don't like my front sight that came with the rifle and painted the rear with white paint to help. Got a Smith rear on order from BA. The one that came with the rifle from Uberti won't stay in one position shot for shot and is a pain in the Buttocks! So can you give some info? :)
Larry, which Smith sight are you putting on? I just replaced my Uberti rear buckhorn with a Browning SRC ladder sight (Sporting Leaf) and had a Marbles front sight installed. I had the rifle bore sighted to make sure of the height of the front sight needed. Near as I can measure, it is 0.413 in height from barrel flat to top.
Your best option might be to go to a smith who has an assortment and let him bore sight your rifle to the Smith.
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Grizz:
The Smith that I ordered is BA # SM18004M. I haven't got it yet as when I ordered it on 5/2/08, they called and said that it was on BA for a couple of weeks. I can do what you suggest so will just wait till that site comes and do what you suggest. ;) The measurements that I have taken so far show the original site at o.303 from the top of the flat to the top of the site and 0.397 from the base of the site to the top of the site. That is without taking it off the barrel and measuring it in place. It really would be nice if they would have put on sites that we all seem to like better than the factory ones.
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Grizz:
The Smith that I ordered is BA # SM18004M. I haven't got it yet as when I ordered it on 5/2/08, they called and said that it was on BA for a couple of weeks.
That's a real nice sight. Glad to hear it is available again. Last I had heard, was that it was out of stock, and Smith was not planning anymore for some time. Keep us posted. I would like to get one for myself! ;D
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Grizz:
Here is what I have found out about the Smith sight situation: I called BA today to check on my order. Was told that I best forget Smiths as they are under contract with the military as is Jamison. Asked what would be like that Smith and was told to look on page 129 of their catalog. There at the bottom are two Winchester rear barrel sights. So I canceled my Smith order and now have one coming that is the "Short Staff" sight. Cheaper by a bit also. Since I don't plan on any 1000 yard shooting-near-sighted ya know! That short one will work just fine. As for the front sight, Got one picked out and looks like I'll need a 0.410" to do the job but won't know for sure till that rear sight comes. Since we are only a snort 'n a holler from BA, that rear sight should be here this week and then I'll know about those measurements for sure.
So, pass this around to those that might be interested. :)
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Grizz:
Here is what I have found out about the Smith sight situation: I called BA today to check on my order. Was told that I best forget Smiths as they are under contract with the military as is Jamison. Asked what would be like that Smith and was told to look on page 129 of their catalog. There at the bottom are two Winchester rear barrel sights. So I canceled my Smith order and now have one coming that is the "Short Staff" sight. Cheaper by a bit also. Since I don't plan on any 1000 yard shooting-near-sighted ya know! That short one will work just fine. As for the front sight, Got one picked out and looks like I'll need a 0.410" to do the job but won't know for sure till that rear sight comes. Since we are only a snort 'n a holler from BA, that rear sight should be here this week and then I'll know about those measurements for sure.
So, pass this around to those that might be interested. :)
Yep, that's what I had heard also. Too bad, it's a nice sight, but the one you ordered is also a great sight. Thanks for the update. :)
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Hello,
I am looking for a barrel mounted single leaf rear sight like the one below. Does anyone know where I could find one? Even if it is a replica, I think that would work. Heck even something close to it would be nice.
Cheers,
Oklahoma Dee
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contact axtill rifle company. sometimes known" the riflesmith"check out there web site. they make wounderful tang sights for sharps, remmingtons, and wenchesters. i use them both. never any problem with them. gotzguns
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Hello,
I am looking for a barrel mounted single leaf rear sight like the one below. Does anyone know where I could find one? Even if it is a replica, I think that would work. Heck even something close to it would be nice.
Cheers,
Oklahoma Dee
Hi, Okee.
I don't know of anyone who makes a copy of the Lyman #6 sight. I have an original example that I purchased off of ebay. They show up there now and again. Marbles has this rear sporting sight that folds down out of the way.......
http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,5433.html
Also this type: http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,4895.html There are many others shown in differing heights etc.
Ruger also has a folding sight that looks like the small Marbles above, that they use on the 1022.
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Thanks Kurt and Grizz! ;D
Both are great insight for me!
Cheers,
Oklahoma Dee
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Howdy Pards
After reading the post about the Smith sights I called hem today and ask if they were making Cowboy sights again .The person on the phone was a new employee and he said they were , and that was all he could say** BUT** Brownell's carried the sights . I got a sight from Brownell's about a month ago to put on my Chaparral .
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I ordered a Riflesmith Short Staff Hunter, for my Winchester 76, from Buffalo Arms. After shooting it couple of times. I felt the eye hole on the cup was not flexible enough for different types of lighting( cloudy, sunny, rain ), or days when my eyes were stronger or weaker, etc. :o
I did some research and felt that the Hadley Eye Cup, which has a number of different setting for the eye-hole, was what I needed. Buffalo Arms did the research and found the one that fits the Riflesmith Short Staff Hunter and I got it.
I am most pleased with it. :D
But now, I am worried that I may have to replace my Peep Tang sight on my Chaparral! :-\
Oklahoma Dee
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I ordered a Riflesmith Short Staff Hunter, for my Winchester 76, from Buffalo Arms. After shooting it couple of times. I felt the eye hole on the cup was not flexible enough for different types of lighting( cloudy, sunny, rain ), or days when my eyes were stronger or weaker, etc. :o
I am most pleased with it. :D
But now, I am worried that I may have to replace my Peep Tang sight on my Chaparral! :-\
Oklahoma Dee
I have one of the Axtell sights also on mine. At the same time I ordered a different diameter Disk to go with it as well.
So WHY are you "worried that I may have to replace my Peep Tang sight on my Chaparral"?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/billc_sbio/1876TangSight.jpg)
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Hey Grogan!
Well, I have two different rifles, a Chaparral 76 in 45-75, and a Winchester in 45-60. The Chaparral has a rear peep tang sight and the Winchester has the Riflesmith Short Staff Hunter. After shooting both for a while, I now like the Riflesmith far better. More adjustable and quicker and you know where you are at. The peep sight on the Chaparral is harder to know where you are at. There are no lines and numbers like on the Riflesmith. I guess that is part of learning what you like and what is available. A piece of the process of fine-tuning a gun. I would like both rifles to have the same setup. That's all. ;)
Cheers,
Oklahoma Dee
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Here is a working combination for Marble tang peep sight for a Chappy 1876. This combination gave me enough elevation for shooting to at least 200 yds, I didn't try it farther than that but it was almost out of elevation. Here are the MidwayUSA part numbers:
part # 228273 Marble Screw set #19 $4.99
part # 995425 Marble Improved Tang peep sight base $59.99
part # 886927 Marble Improved Tang peep sight Standard Upright $34.99
I also changed the front sight to part # 583923 Marble Front sight .410 height .531 width 3/32 gold bead.
SR
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I have been messing around with a Marbles bulls eye rear sight I picked up from Brownells. It is part number 006951.
Since it sights on the barrel, the apeture isn't real distinct to my fuzzy old eyes. But, it has made a positive impact on accuracy. I am getting 4" @ 100 yds for 3 shot groups.
I suspect i'll end up installing a tang sight once I print enough money...
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Thank You Silver rings for the information on sights !
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Silver Rings
Midway is out of their base, back order. Called Buffalo Arms & they said Marble's told them they don't make a sight to fit the 76 Chappy. Would you happen to know the Marble's part numbers for the screw set, improved base, standard upright, that you posted? I found the part number for the frontsight, #204131. Thanks in advance.
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Can't find a web address for Axtell or Rifle Smith. Any help?
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Buffalo Arms carries Smith sights:
http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/2,231.html
Track of the Wolf handles Axtell:
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/categories/partList.aspx?catId=14&subId=167&styleId=770&PageSize=10&Page=5&as=1
Welcome to the fire! :)
GA
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Grizz,
Thanks for the welcome. I am loving all the information offered here, as well as some of the other SI Groups on the forum. I looked at the Smith sights on the BACO sight, but they only show barrel sights. I'm looking for a tang sight, like the Axtell offered at TOTW. Do you know which of the Track offerings will fit the Uberti Centennial?
Thanks again,
Hugh
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Grizz,
Thanks for the welcome. I am loving all the information offered here, as well as some of the other SI Groups on the forum. I looked at the Smith sights on the BACO sight, but they only show barrel sights. I'm looking for a tang sight, like the Axtell offered at TOTW. Do you know which of the Track offerings will fit the Uberti Centennial?
Thanks again,
Hugh
Actually, any tang sight that will fit the 86 Winchester will fit the 76 in terms of hole spacing. Uberti uses the same spacing. Page 7, on the link above, shows a number of sights, varying from long, mid, and short staff. RW-WIN 30A is described as being specifically for the 76.
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/categories/partDetail.aspx?catId=14&subId=167&styleId=770&partNum=RS-WIN-30-A
I don't own a rifle with one of Axtell's sights, so I can't make a specific recommendation on one. Others on the board may have first hand knowledge.
I would call them and tell them what your putting it on, so they can provided the correct mounting screws - this is very important!
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It is hard to beat the use and function of an original winchester with an original sight...
(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/109_1136.jpg)
(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/109_1140.jpg)
(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/109_1137.jpg)
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It is hard to beat the use and function of an original winchester with an original sight...
(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/109_1136.jpg)
Indeed it is. :)
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I have gone thru the chain on "sights", I have used the marbles peep sight, Marbles Improved Peep Sight, Taylor's & Company DOS Winchester Tang Sight, and a couple of Italian made Tang Sights... had problems with all of the above. I forked out the money and went with a KELLY SIGHT... best decision I have ever made... they are not cheap, but they are VERY WELL MADE and they are ACCURATE. I mounted the Mid Range on my '86 for starters and I am so impressed with Jim Kelly's sights I am going to install one on my 45-60. I cannot say enough good things about this sight... instead of forking out money for the above I should have just added a few more dollars and bought Kelly upfront... very accurate and it looks good also.
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Thanks Tom,
I'm in Australia, into CAS over here which is very popular. I liked what you referred to with the Kelly Tang sight, and intend fitting one on my Uberti 1876 Centennial in 45.60. any advice on where I can find them over your way ?
I have gone thru the chain on "sights", I have used the marbles peep sight, Marbles Improved Peep Sight, Taylor's & Company DOS Winchester Tang Sight, and a couple of Italian made Tang Sights... had problems with all of the above. I forked out the money and went with a KELLY SIGHT... best decision I have ever made... they are not cheap, but they are VERY WELL MADE and they are ACCURATE. I mounted the Mid Range on my '86 for starters and I am so impressed with Jim Kelly's sights I am going to install one on my 45-60. I cannot say enough good things about this sight... instead of forking out money for the above I should have just added a few more dollars and bought Kelly upfront... very accurate and it looks good also.
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John:
Here is jim Kelley's website. Buffalo arms carries the sights when they can get them. Cheers.
Mean Bob
http://www.kelleysights.com/ (http://www.kelleysights.com/)
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JSlaughter-
Sorry I have been out of town ... slow to your response..my apology. MBM responded... You cannot buy the Kelley Sights from his website. Only place I know of to buy the sights is Buffalo Arms. You will have to contact Jim Kelley (see his website for email) and tell him what you have and send him the measurements from center hole to center hole for your '76. He will have to custom make you a sight base. He does not charge extra for this. He will ask you to send him the Long Tang Screw and the small Tang Screw from the upper Tang for duplication (he will return them for you with the completed base) his work/craftsmanship is SUPERIOR and he is a pleasure to business with. For both my '86 and '76 I bought the Silhouette Mid Range Soule Sight, it is very accurate and it looks good on both rifles. Here are some pictures of the sight mounted on my '76 Centennial Rifle (Uberti) 45-60.
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Hi
I would like to fit a better rear sight on my 76 for longer range and accuracy but on the barrel, in place of the original.
Any recommendations?
Also does anybody know what size the rear dovetail is on a uberti 76?
Thanks
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To test my new Uberti 76 Winchester for accuracy, I needed something better than the iron sights that came with it. So I bought a set of Marbles Improved tang sights with two staff(s) and a bunch of apertures. I had already bought a low profile globe front sight from Montana Vintage Arms, and together, the new sights made a dramatic improvement in the groups I was getting.
But I have been spoiled and corrupted by the repeatability of the MVA Soule sight I have on my '74 Sharps Business rifle. So I have replaced the Marbles tang sight with a Soule Midrange tang sight and a Hadley disc, all from MVA. The investment is significant, but so is the pleasure of using the rifle...money well spent.
Here's some pics...
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/DTaylorSapergia/CAS/100_4895_zpsbb66cd30.jpg) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/DTaylorSapergia/media/CAS/100_4895_zpsbb66cd30.jpg.html)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/DTaylorSapergia/CAS/100_4898_zpsbd07caf1.jpg) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/DTaylorSapergia/media/CAS/100_4898_zpsbd07caf1.jpg.html)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/DTaylorSapergia/CAS/100_4897_zpsdfe568cf.jpg) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/DTaylorSapergia/media/CAS/100_4897_zpsdfe568cf.jpg.html)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/DTaylorSapergia/CAS/100B4921_zpsae7fe587.jpg) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/DTaylorSapergia/media/CAS/100B4921_zpsae7fe587.jpg.html)
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So, a blank in the normal rear sight spot? How does the tang sight effect your gripping the buttstock? Isnt it in the way? I had a couple on different 94's and thought they were really in the way of getting a good hold.
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I was at the range with the new tang sight the other day, and fired 73 rounds. I didn't even notice the presence of the tang sight on the grip. I was shooting from the bench. Offhand should be even better, as far as comfort is concerned. The adjustable aperture in the Hadley eyecup is such a benefit. I was able to open and close the opening to get a perfect sight picture for a variety of targets.
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;D I've got to do a public 'thank you' to Gabriel Law- he recommended the MVA sight and she sure shoots pretty. I'll make a plug for the folks @ MVA. Think I might get one for my Sharps
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To test my new Uberti 76 Winchester for accuracy, I needed something better than the iron sights that came with it. So I bought a set of Marbles Improved tang sights with two staff(s) and a bunch of apertures. I had already bought a low profile globe front sight from Montana Vintage Arms, and together, the new sights made a dramatic improvement in the groups I was getting.
But I have been spoiled and corrupted by the repeatability of the MVA Soule sight I have on my '74 Sharps Business rifle. So I have replaced the Marbles tang sight with a Soule Midrange tang sight and a Hadley disc, all from MVA. The investment is significant, but so is the pleasure of using the rifle...money well spent.
Here's some pics...
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/DTaylorSapergia/CAS/100_4895_zpsbb66cd30.jpg) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/DTaylorSapergia/media/CAS/100_4895_zpsbb66cd30.jpg.html)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/DTaylorSapergia/CAS/100_4898_zpsbd07caf1.jpg) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/DTaylorSapergia/media/CAS/100_4898_zpsbd07caf1.jpg.html)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/DTaylorSapergia/CAS/100_4897_zpsdfe568cf.jpg) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/DTaylorSapergia/media/CAS/100_4897_zpsdfe568cf.jpg.html)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/DTaylorSapergia/CAS/100B4921_zpsae7fe587.jpg) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/DTaylorSapergia/media/CAS/100B4921_zpsae7fe587.jpg.html)
MMMMM, sight envy... 8) I switched t a marbles tang sight and was amazed at how much better I shoot with it over the factory sight.....well I guess I wasn't amazed as the rear factory sight sucks for old eyes. But, I shoot groups now instead of shot gun patterns. I already have a long range buffalo sight with a Hadley disk from MVA that I used to have on a sharps I sold, I'll have to look into a base for the '76 . 8)
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I have ordered this sight for mine
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/rear-sights/m-95-long-range-sight-prod18599.aspx
- it is on back order of course. Note the ball detent stops between the 100 marks on the sights. One merely sights in at various ranges and records the settings. With 25, 50 and 75 yard detents between the hundred marks, this sight should work quite well for smacking large steel plates at rendezvous. I do like the open ladder sights. Yes- apertures are more accurate, but so much slower.
(http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/products/p_851000046_1.jpg)
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The rear sight is not the issue for me, I need a better front sight. I've had a Lyman and a Marbles tang sight on a few different 94's, and never cared for them. I always thought they were in the way of my right hand grip.
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I agree, KM, but for pin-point accuracy, they are quite necessary for me, at least. I've always done well with apertures - especially on modern match rifles and my Sharps. One learns to put up with the placement. I had to make a 48" rod to clean the Sharps due to the sight not folding down far enough OH well, if it's accuracy you want, those are needed - for some competitions, that is.
For hunting, Express sights with a small front bead are best. The ladder sight is the best of both worlds, imho. Longer range than the normal available 3 leaf express sights, and almost as fast.
Do NOT believe anyone who says Express Sights are not accurate.
for example:
This is the rifle:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/DarylS/14%20Bore/DSCF0027.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/DarylS/media/14%20Bore/DSCF0027.jpg.html)
These are the sights.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/DarylS/14%20Bore/PC092277.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/DarylS/media/14%20Bore/PC092277.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/DarylS/14%20Bore/PC092279.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/DarylS/media/14%20Bore/PC092279.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/DarylS/P1012729_zpsb5a30f03.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/DarylS/media/P1012729_zpsb5a30f03.jpg.html)
The trouble is, with fixed open sights, even sight leaves as on this ML, usually only one load suites them.
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i found and ordered this...
http://www.buffaloarms.com/winchester-reproduction_rear_sight_it-1170333.aspx?TERM=wrrs
plenty of stock, so they say...:)
Happy New Year!!!
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I believe my rear sight is an 1895 Smith Enterprises sight. I love it on my Uberti .45-60.