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CAS TOPICS => The Leather Shop => Topic started by: Dalton Masterson on June 27, 2007, 11:55:42 PM
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Lets make a library here on this site, of our favorite border stampings, etc. Could be a nice resource for when you dont want to do the same old thing again.
Also can be a good use for your scraps as you can save the borders you make for reference later.
Heres a few I like. DM
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This sounds like a good idea to me. Here's the only good example of a border I have at this time. You have to make the stamp, but it may give you ideas on how to use stamps you already have. I'll put up more when I get good photos of them. This can be a continuing thread, so be sure to load the pictures using the "Additional Options" at the bottom of the new post page rather than linking to a photo somewhere online. If the online photo disappears, it also disappears from your posts. If we get enough examples, I can add a link in the How-To FAQ thread.
A little later: I remembered I had a couple samples kicking around my desk that I banged out one day to test a couple ideas. I scanned them in. Here they are, too.
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I really like the second shot Marshall. Transitions are the toughest part of holster tooling. Most stamping tools lend themselves well to straight lines, such as belts, but the irregular shapes on holsters are tough to do with most of the intesting border tools. Seems I am always looking through a magnifying glass at low quality pictures for ideas.
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Heres one I spotted on an old saddle in a Wyoming antique store. Really like it, just havent tried to make it yet.
Update: While in Omaha I found a stamp that is close to this one, but not quite the same. Crafttool G870
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I like that Dalton and think that an old duffer like me might even be able to copy it. Thanks for the idea.
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Look at Nolan Sacketts new pictures under the post 'A LIITLE LEATHER'. He shows us how to capture a style with just a couple of tools.
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Dang Dalton,
I had read this thread before I went CSG. If I'd have been able to connect it with you in my mind we'd have spent more time talking "Leather" at Louisville!
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From my recently finished Beretta Laramie Shoulder rig:
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-5/1013589/Laramierigdetail2544.jpg)
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I like it, Dave!
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Yeah, that really is nice.
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Here a couple of shots of my original 1880's Collins Morrison Saddle. I intend to try stamping a few projects in this style in the future. The Tandy stamps are a little different but I'll use what I have.
(http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2673/1022337oo5.th.jpg) (http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1022337oo5.jpg)
(http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7038/1022338ku7.th.jpg) (http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1022338ku7.jpg)
(http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3827/1022335wp1.th.jpg) (http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1022335wp1.jpg)
Marshall Will Wingam could you please "sticky" this thread?
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I like the design work on that saddle, Pitspitr. Nice work.
I added this thread to the How-To FAQ/Suppliers/Ideas thread and renamed it slightly so others can find it easily without us having a sea of stickys at the top of the page. I had meant to do that but forgot. This is good information. Thanks for the suggestion.
How-To FAQ/Suppliers/Ideas (http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,13207.msg165764.html#msg165764)
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Back in 1994 we got hold of a Cogashall saddle built in 1905 but the leather had worn out,so it had to berebuilt.We wanted to make it as close to the original as possible so we made a stamp to recreate the same border
This is it (the stamp is made from a car engine valve)
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That's a nice meander stamp.....
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I hope someday I will have a border design to share with you folks!!
Dalton, I think this is a great Idea, sharing with others, as apossed to some that think, I am not going to let them see my stuff, they will just copy it1 To much greed in this world. I love this site!!
You folks are great!!! :) :)
ACE
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Looks good. I made one similar to it with a carriage bolt. I like the idea of using a valve to make a stamp. Thanks for the great idea. Now I can pester the repair shop for old valves. ;D
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I added this thread to the How-To FAQ/Suppliers/Ideas thread and renamed it slightly so others can find it easily without us having a sea of stickys at the top of the page. I had meant to do that but forgot. This is good information. Thanks for the suggestion.
That will work too ;) Thanks!
I like the design work on that saddle, Pitspitr. Nice work.
Yep, the folks at Collins/Morrison did outstanding work that's part of the reason their work is so pricey today. I sure am glad this saddle was a gift from my dear old departed Father-in-law. I'd have never been able to afford what it's worth today. As far as either of us knew back when he gave it to me it was just his old work saddle and since he never used it anymore I might as well have it. When he gave it to me in the early 1980's he told me that it was almost 100 years old then and that he had bought it from the old boy who had had it custom made in Omaha.
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Lets make a library here on this site, of our favorite border stampings, etc. Could be a nice resource for when you dont want to do the same old thing again.
Also can be a good use for your scraps as you can save the borders you make for reference later.
Heres a few I like. DM
Here are a few that I like to use. I'll post more as I find them on my PC
WC
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CowboyWC:
Look good. I especially like the one at top. A good addition to the border "library."
Thanks.
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Great stuff, pards. Keep 'em coming. ;)
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Howdy boys,
I fiddled around with my silverworking stamps and mixed 'em with my leather stamps and this border popped outta my head and surprised me. I thought maybe you fellas would be interested in seeing the results.
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d133/lennowenoxie/P6010025.jpg)
This thread had been neglected for a while anyways. ;D
X Horse Pen
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::) :o 8) Very nice Horse Pen, your an ARTIST, in your own right, awsome stamps. 8) ;D
tEN wOLVES ;) :D ;D
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Nice job, pard. Thanks for sharing with us. :D
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Looks good. Nice work.
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Horsepen, I Think that You did a AWESOME job :o And I love the flow of the border and the lines, at first from a distanve I thought that you did a double stitch, but correct me if I am wrong, you just did a stich groove and then run the stich overwheel in the grove as if you were going to stitch? The flow of the flavors of stamps are very taste full not just the border but the whole holster!
Horespen, isn't there a full pic of that holster posted on here? If there is point me to it, I been looking and can't find it! I want to see it (Please)
ACE
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I'm glad y'all enjoyed it. This is an unfinished holster that is still laid out flat.
Ace, your right about the groove and stitch wheel design. That outside one I'll sew up for the main seam. I'll get a picture on the show yer stuff thread when I get 'er done. Maybe I can get a picture of it while it's still flat if ya like. You fellas have anymore borders for this library?
Cheers,
X Horse Pen
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H.P.,
I would be greatfull if you could post a pic of it , even if it is flat I don't care, I can't put my finger on it, the Design of it is intreging, the border the rossette and other stamp combo's realy flow toghter, and i would like to see a full image of it! i do not know what it is that attacks me to see it, except the concept of the border and the types of stamps used toghter just does something for me! :o 8) 8) :)
Thanks
ACE
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Hey there ya'll. Well, while this is not really a border, per se, it can be used as filler in a border, I guess. I found the instructions for it online (I forget where :-\) and it's actually really simple.
I call it Fraugahyde, but you can call it a mess if you like.
The internal body of the design is the fraugahyde.
(http://images.onesite.com/members.horsecity.com/user/rollingthunder/spurs/large/wip4.jpg)
And I guess I just had to use it on my straps.
(http://images.onesite.com/members.horsecity.com/user/rollingthunder/spurs/large/rolandsstraps.jpg)
The idea is to take a large seeder, and line out where you would see "veins" or the large bumps. Then you take an intermediate size seeder, and run it down a couple of the edges of the larger seeder, and then use a dramatically smaller seeder (lightly) to fill in the area. It would drive you nuts on a saddle, I'd bet, but when all is said and done, looks pretty decent as filler, even with someone as poor as me working the leather. LOL.
(http://images.onesite.com/members.horsecity.com/user/rollingthunder/spurs/large/strap1.jpg)
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RT, I like the pair in the middle real good. That concho with the froggyhide fits right nice together. If ya get tired of those just throw 'em on my bunk. I'll take 'em!!! ;D
X Horse Pen
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Nice, RT. I like the use of the three different sized seeders to make an interesting filler/background pattern. Fraugahide. Good idea, it really does the trick. Nice work, too. Thanks for posting the pics.
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Thanks. It's really easy to make, and like you said, some conchos are really well supported by the Fraugahyde as a design. Those conchos, by the way, are from Buffalo Brothers. They have a really nice selection there.
I'm glad you all like them, and I hope someone can find this technique useful. I did, so I figured why not pass it on. :D
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All these are great! It's nice to have some stuff to look at for fresh ideas. Here's a border that I like to use thats simple, easy and effective. And it only takes Two tools to do! A shell border tool and a seeder.
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Kid, I like that! It reminds me of knapped flint arrowheads or stone carving. Very cool. DM
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I agree ... very cool effect!
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RT, One word for those spur straps AWESOME :o :o I like them :) :)
Show us some omre purdy stuff1
ACE
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Great idea to stagger those like ya did, Kid. Lookin' good. I like those seeders and cammies, too.
X Horse Pen
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Very effective, Kid, and nicely executed. Well done.
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Thumbs up for that one, Kid. It's really simple and effective. Thanks for contributing.
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Marshall, here a pic of that border...
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d133/lennowenoxie/P7100053.jpg)
X Horse Pen
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HP,
I like it!!
When you coming down? There is a swap meet I sure would like to go to at Pyror Ok. in 2 weeks, but I won't go!
I like the border.
ACE
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Ace,
I sent ya a PM asking ya for yer address. Maybe it didn't go threw. Send me yer address so I can mapquest ya up. I'd enjoy coming ta visit.
Cheers,
X Horse Pen
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Thanks for posting that one, X-Pen. That's a great pattern.
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Yer welcome, Marshall. I think just about any cammy and seeder will give the same effect. I didn't have the stamps that the old boy used on the belt in Peacemakers but the ones I had still gave the scalloped edge appearance.
Cheers,
X Horse Pen
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I always thought it was pretty fun to combine different seeders, veiners and cammies to get something different. I used two different cammies alternately and seeded the larger one for these.
(http://images.onesite.com/members.horsecity.com/user/rollingthunder/spurs/dscf3401.jpg)
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I found out where I spotted the Frogskin look.
http://www.johan-potgieter.com/leatherlearn/?p=14 (http://www.johan-potgieter.com/leatherlearn/?p=14)
Here's a rope effect one ... http://www.johan-potgieter.com/leatherlearn/?p=31 (http://www.johan-potgieter.com/leatherlearn/?p=31)
More ropes ... http://www.johan-potgieter.com/leatherlearn/?p=32 (http://www.johan-potgieter.com/leatherlearn/?p=32)
And of course, you simply cannot have too many ropes ... http://www.johan-potgieter.com/leatherlearn/?p=33 (http://www.johan-potgieter.com/leatherlearn/?p=33)
Adios, amigos!
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Great stuff, RT. It's really effective the way you used the two different camo stamps for the border. Those rope ideas are really effective, too. I'll be looking for a place to use one. Thanks for the contributions.
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I don't want anyone thinking those are mine. Those are ones I found. Secondhand gold, you might say.
:D
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Man, I had to look for a long time to find this topic again!
Remember a while back Ol' Horsepen said he'd been horsing around? Well, here's what comes of Kentucky bourbon and too much time on a Sunday and waitin' on the leather supplier to ship my stuff! :D
If'n it'd got here on Friday, I wouldn't be drinkin' and horsin' around! :D
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Great look, Kid. Isn't it interesting what you can do with one stamp. Thanks for the pic.
Man, I had to look for a long time to find this topic again!
Remember to look on the FAQ thread for links. Most of the reference stuff is linked there.
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Hidy Kid,
That is a beautiful border. Reckon I could borrow that border for a pair a saddle bags I'm making up?
BTW, is that yer horse in the picture? ;D
X Horse Pen
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Holy McGurdy Spurlock, kid. That's slicker 'n snot balled up under your shoe.
Sorry if that was a wee on the picturesque side ya'll.
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Holy McGurdy Spurlock, kid. That's slicker 'n snot balled up under your shoe.
Sorry if that was a wee on the picturesque side ya'll.
SSssssshhhhhhhhhhhh! i think he's busy on his next project. :D :-\ ;)
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X Pen....You don't have to ask to borrow it. If'n it wasn't meant to be used, I wouldn't uv put it up here. And I like easy when it works. I just wanted to see what I could do with one stamp and that meander stamp was the one I grabbed. :D
Nope. My horse, sadly, is no longer with us. He was gettin' kinda old and feeble and he drank too much so I fed him some dynamite to perk him up a bit. He acted like a colt for about 5 minutes and then fell over dead. ;D ;D
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Well heck, that saves on the feed bill, don't it. Always gotta lookee on the bright n sunny side. :D
Hats off,
X Horse Pen
P.S. Thanks Kid. I always ask for politeness sake.
Yer appreciated. I will show 'em to ya when I get 'em done. Few months off yet.
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I split a handful of very entertaining posts off to their own thread. You can continue with it here: From borders to Bears (http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,22110.0.html)
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Here's another one I played with. It's the double meander pattern with some different stamps along the inside border.
A few hours later: I noticed that the lighting on the thing made it look like a reverse image so I rotated it over to look like it's correct, which it is but the scanner didn't get the lighting right. ;D
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Nice example Will
This is another nice example of the double meander along with some of the different borders stamps that are available, I like the way you put this together Will, were really getting a great collection of borders, again thanks for sharing. :D ;D
tEN wOLVES ;) :D ;D
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Thanks, TW.
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That's really nice Marshal! I like the double meander and the sharp corner came out well. :)
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Here's a close-up of the border on my left outlaw holster. The dotted lines on both sides are done by rolling a stitch marker along it..
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I like it.
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Howdy Marshal Will
I like it too, what stamp did you use for your wing shaped stamp that runs into the flower, this is really nice , it's some what like WC stamp that he used on his knife sheath, but a little larger, this is a real classy look, and your stamping looks to be perfect, this is a nice addition to the Library, maybe you could get WC's knife sheath and post it here to so we could have a comparison of the two designs. Thanks for sharing Will
tEN wOLVES ;) :D ;D
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Thanks, pards.
10W, that stamp is a meander stamp I made years ago. The first stamp I ever made, actually. I copied it from one Charlie Miller made. I just used the side of it and held it at an angle, advancing a little for each tap. Here's the meander:
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;D Howdy Marshal Will
Wow thats hard to believe that you could get that kind of impression from this meander stamp, all I can say is you have a really steady hand, and to be able to place that stamp as you did and get these results is really something, the fact that you made such a neat meander is pretty special too, WLL DONE Pard, thanks for the explanation.
tEN wOLVES ;) :D ;D
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Hi Marshall. That's a neat little tool and creative ways of using it, too.
Good stuff!!!
X Horse Pen
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Thanks, X-pen. I've used that tool many different ways except as a meander. I really prefer a rounded meander over that. There must be a dozen ways to use a tool like that. Someday we'll have to have a thread to see who can use any one tool the most ways.
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:)MW,
When I first started and didn't have many stamps you told me that you had made a lot of yours and how to do it! But this is the very first time you have showed me one, and I LIKE IT :) When I get back in the mood i got to make me one of them!
Thanks for Sharing!
ACE
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Thanks, Ace. I's good to get inspired to make your own. It adds a dimension to your work that can't be found otherwise. The double meander I posted is one I made. Another pair of them I made are on the fern pattern on the right holster of my outlaw rig. The border on my Dodge City holster is another example. Most of my holsters have at least one stamp I've made. You've seen some, it just isn't always obvious.
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Hey guys, ignorant Limey here again. I know nowt about "stamps", what are they made of, how do you apply them etc???
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Typically, you cut the pattern outline with a swivel knife then start adding different layers of stamps to the pattern to make it look three dimensional. The stamps are used with a small rawhide, plastic or wooden mallet when the leather is "cased" or wetted to a still firm degree. There are some good books and videos available for learning this from leather suppliers like Tandy, Hide Crafters and/or some of the pards that post here, like Chuck, WC, Will and several others. WC posted a great illustration of the order it's typically done: http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php?topic=22118.0 (http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php?topic=22118.0).
OK, who has videos or books available or who knows of some to recommend?
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Thanks Marshall, I assume from the use of a mallet that the stamps are made of metal, similar to a punch, and commercially available?? I also assume some of you make your own stamps for new patterns??
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Yes to both. You can find 'em on ebay, too. Just do a search for leather stamps.
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here is a border that i made, Don
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I like it, Don. Thanks for sharing it with us.
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Me, too.
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Thought i would post this in here, as the idea might be useful to someone down the road.
(http://forums.horsecity.com/uploads/1229907509/gallery_20846_598_83679.jpg)
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Thanks for the contribution to the border library, RT. Good work. That's what we are looking for. ;)
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RT, those are classic old timey cuffs. I like them a lot and I appreciate you showing them here. I have now found a pair of cuffs that have given me inspiration for making my own.
Don 101, what tools did you use for the border above. Those little dots along the inside and outside are a nice touch.
Horse Pen
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Don & R.T. , There wouldn't be any thing that i could say that has not been said, except AWESOME !! Both peices of work are of perfection, which shows the creative able that you both have!
Thanks for sharing and I like learningfrom everything you folks share!
Happly Holidays
ACE
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Thanks fellas. Horsepen, we best be seein' some out of ya'll. And I like the old-timey lookin stuff, even if I couldn't rope the ground standing on the barn.
I'd like to know too Don. What's the build on that there fine piece of work?
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Check out mill bits and the like. A little grind here a cut there... I had a mill bit for years that worked great for a bizarre Celtic weave pattern. There are also a lot of Dremel metal bits that work well to for small corner fill.
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I just thought I would add another border idea I completed on my new gun belt. It's still a work in progress but the border stamping is done.
(https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20994298_1542033059188945_6621540820880538127_n.jpg?oh=0f1ef29bb86c31114e2f5f7a513cb8c2&oe=5A720DB9)
(https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20953939_1542033145855603_382374496110394489_n.jpg?oh=f2311f5dc68303b21b73b3744fe78832&oe=5AA893F0)
(https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21032332_1542796742445910_8738283938143549033_n.jpg?oh=fd7e9fb518a07ae10a896a627c7fcca6&oe=5A6DF977)
(https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21317843_1553778428014408_6041997235239828926_n.jpg?oh=e2fabdcf3aabf914e113b6f1eba7e8dd&oe=5AA962A7)
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Looks good. I wouldn't have thought of using the star stamp like that but it works nicely. Thanks for the pic.
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This has got to be one of the best threads. Don't get me wrong, I always get fresh ideas when I thumb through my Al Stholman books but I love to see what other people think up and there are some killer combinations here. Great work!
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It's been quite a while for this thread. I'm resurrecting it with a photo of one of my recent holsters with a very simple and effective border on it.
(https://i.imgur.com/Kc6Mv5m.jpg)
That was done with a tool I made years ago.
(https://i.imgur.com/Acs7kpD.jpg)
The photo makes it look like I drag the tool but it actually is used by pushing it.
Let's see some more borders, pards.
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Love it Marshal. I recently tried to use a similar tool and can't seem to get it lined up enough to really do what I want to do. It's the craftool pro adjustable creaser thought and while I can get it to do good for making a single line with one part off the leather I cannot get it to work right to do two lines both on leather........if that makes sense.
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Thanks, Rube. You need to put your finger on top to push down on the tool as you push forward. Then rock it ever so slightly so it walks forward slowly. Unlike the adjustable creasers I've seen, mine has sharp edges that crease the leather almost like a knife.
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Pretty neet tool, marshal. Thanks for sharing!
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Pretty neet tool, marshal. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks. It's crude looking but it works.
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Hi
I took several pictures of belt borders for a thread on Skidmore's leather cream and thought that the pictures could be helpful here. I have several hourglass or double serpentine stamps from both Barry King and Tandy. As a hint, when you pick the sizes you like, buy one from Barry King, they last a LOT longer. Anyway, I've used both the Hourglass picture in the first attachment. It looks good, but it is necessary (in my opinion) to draw lines on the leather as a stamp guide. I'm an engineer, I measure things (except booze...). I use soft lead pencils, drawing with the side so as not to leave a divot.
On the Hourglass in the second attachment, I obviously used red markers which I read ARE SUPPOSED TO BE INVISIBLE, but they're not, so back to the soft lead pencil.
The hourglass is more interesting, but more of a pain to stamp. with the single serpentine stamps, I just draw the outer guidelines and stamp with just a hair between the stamps. Literally, just enough to see a separation. I do 12 on the inside (both sides of the belt, and then the outside) so I don't have the whole belt wet at the same time.
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Beautiful work, 1961MJS. Thanks for showing how you lay out the stamps, too.
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Hi
This is a picture of the 4 new Barry King stamps I just purchased. All four of the tools are very well made. They are a Camouflage, Starburst #1, Crown Serpentine #5, a Double Row Border #3, and a Lined Veiner #1 to match Rube's.
The Crown Serpentine #5 is HUGE. It is made so that you could (I think) easily just draw a line to guide it's stamping. Due to the double line through out that tool, it's not really possible to leave space between the stamps and use a molding tool or some other tool to connect the stamps. I believe that I have one of each size of serpentine border tools (Barry King and Tandy).
The Camouflage Starburst border is an odd looking thing. I will probably use it between to border lines about a half inch apart. It might also be used for a weird Psychedelic era plant connected by vines.
The Double Row Border #3 is more precisely detailed that Tandy's, but looks very similar. I expect to use it quite a bit.
The Lined Veiner #1 will get a lot of use as another way to build a 3:10 to Yuma border. I'll also try what Rube did and that is also in Packing Iron.
If there's a better place for this than the border library, feel free to move this.
Merry Xmas Y'all.
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You're in the right place. Thanks for posting the stamp impressions. It helps others to see what they look like. It looks like you'll be having some top notch fun, now.
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Great looking BK stamps.