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The Longbranch / Re: Hat
« Last post by River City John on Today at 01:24:45 PM »
Used to be 10X was the top grade for beaver felt hats.
That grading has gone by the wayside as far being meaningful as hat manufacturers combined other fibers and starches. Nutria fur becoming widely used.

Most authentic brimmed hats of the era when worn outdoors as working headgear rapidly took on a shapeless lump on the top of the head.
Delmonico down in The Cosie Forum was a professional hat shaper for The Old West Shoppe. Look him up here in CAS City.
The Longbranch / Re: Hat
« Last post by Holsterguy on Today at 01:15:31 PM »
 Thanks Kent. Yes its pretty stiff.
NCOWS / Re: NCOWS National Match 2021
« Last post by ira scott on Today at 12:05:44 PM »
Thanks for the warning Robert,  looking forward to seeing you guys again!
The Longbranch / Re: Hat
« Last post by Kent Shootwell on Today at 11:31:23 AM »
I don’t know the brand and the 4X isn’t a standard among hatters , each having their own grading. But if it feels firm and holds it shape while being handled then it’s about price. The important part is all you need is a tea kettle and your hands to shape a felt hat.
 :)  SPJ   ;)

I guess my initial  knee jerk reaction is "WHY??'' but since it's something you just want to do, My Why is immaterial.  lease accept that following as a WAG (Military Acronym for Wild Ass'd Guess) but you are on the sorta right track.

You may not be able to achieve our result with a 45 Schofield case.  The original Ordinance Department load was an amount of powder in a "Balloon" head case that had more capacity than a modern Schofield case.  And when you over-stuff a cartridge you start to get into ignition, burn, pressure problems.

The 45 Colt case is going to give you more powder capacity for the same weight bullet.  This will equal more velocity and will also equal more pressure/recoil.

Your 1860 conversion requires a bit more thought.  The conversion cylinder can well stand your intended load.  The longer barrel will add a few FPS to get you closer to your goal.  HOWEVER:  The Frame and Arbor may well not appreciate the stresses of lots of heavy loads.

I would expect load data for the 45 ACP was acquired with 5" test barrels.  45 ACP is, in contrast to Schofield or Colt, a higher pressure cartridge with completely different pressure waves and pressure spike effects so you may get some odd results.  Should be a fun pursuit.

Stay Safe Out There

FORGOT:  At these load levels you will be known as a "Warthog" or "Pale Rider"   
Geez, this feller was deadly!


 :)  Bill   :D

That be Extreme KOOL   ;D

Stay Safe Out There
The Longbranch / Hat
« Last post by Holsterguy on Today at 06:27:34 AM »
Can anybody tell me if an American hat co. hat is a decent hat? All it says on the sweatband is 4x quality.
The reason I ask is I’d like to follow Delmonico’s instructions, and reshape it.
It’s now a cattleman crease, and I hope to make it like Selleck wore in Crossfire Trail.
Thanks a lot!
The Powder Room - CAS reloading / Recreating 45 ACP performance in BP
« Last post by SPJ on Today at 02:59:11 AM »
I brought this upon another site but I think I may have better chances finding answers from the community here.

The Wikipedia page on the 45 Schofield states that it is comparable to, though less powerful than, the 45 acp. The page doesn't have references to back up that statement, but I have heard the comparison before and I can understand it myself.  Both being made originally with 230 grain bullets, and the velocity and power of the Schofield only differing from the ACP by a factor of roughly 100. With Wikipedia giving the velocity of the Schofield at 730 fps and 374 J of energy, and the 45 ACP being more powerful at 835 fps and 483 J (356 ftlbs) of energy. It does not state what barrel lengths these are being fired from though

This has made me want to ask what loading of blackpowder would it take to create a revolver cartridge with a performance comparable to the 45 ACP, with a velocity over 800 fps and energy around 350 J?

The majority of the sources I have found state that the original loading of the 45 Schofield was a 230 gr bullet with 28 grains of black powder. So I imagine that simply adding one or two more grains of powder would be enough to add roughly another 100 fps and J of energy to the bullet. I read that the Frankford Arsenal produced cartridges for the 45 Colt made in the 1800s was loaded with 30 grains of black powder so I imagine their performance was likely closer.

This thread involves a user stating that they were able to load 30 grains in a Schofield case. So I assume it should be possible. If not I will go ahead with a 45 Colt case

If I wear to take up this project I would go about trying to load a 45 Schofield case with a 230 RNFP bullet with 30 grains of 3fg black powder, either Swiss or Eynsford as I am told they would give me more of the performance I am looking for. I also have a Colt 1860, with a conversion cylinder, that has an 8 inch barrel. I imagine the length of the barrel will also help in allowing the bullet to reach a higher velocity.

Does anyone here know if I am along the right track of? Or if anyone has already achieved this level of performance before me, and how I can replicate it?

Thank you
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