Parliament votes to end the registry

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

It's hasn't been abolished yet but SOON!   Here is a positive article in the Globe & Mail

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/tory-mp-who-shot-holes-though-liberal-long-gun-registry-reloads/article2196270/

[PJ Hardtack]

Shotgun Franklin

The sad truth is that among our stated rights in the Canadian Bill of Rights, that to personal property was NOT included.
That means the government reserves the right to tell us what property we can own under what conditions.

This came about because the then Prime Minister (now deceased)was in a hurry to ram it through the process and the provincial Premiers (like a US state Governor) could not come to terms as they could foresee all kinds of issues re: property claims issues.

Locally, we have an annual sled dog "Mail Run" that attracts mushers from all over. many locals keep dog teams. A while back, the local regional municipal body here (The Cariboo Regional District) decreed that if you kept dogs above a certain number, you were deemed to be operating a "kennel" and had to meet stringent guidelines re: proximity to neighbours fence lines, pens, etc.

The dog owners objected strenuously to no avail, protesting about their "rights". Editorial letters, pro and con were rampant and I jumped in. I pointed out that no one gave a rats' patoot about the property rights of gun owners in this country and were silent as restriction after restriction was imposed through dictatorial "Orders In Council" - like a non-debatable Presidential decree, by-passing the House and Senate.

In some countries, this is known as authoritarian rule; dictatorship by another name. Am I hopeful of a return to sane, rational gun laws in my lifetime? Not really. I've been at this fight for decades and we've lost steadily, gun owners too stupid or lazy to oppose Draconian laws.

People get the government, army and police that a) they deserve; and b) are willing to pay for. Any government is a reflection of the society that elected and tolerates them. "They is us - we is them".

[Shotgun Franklin]

Here's what people don't understand about our Bill of Rights, the Rights are NOT given to us by Gov't, they are only recognized by the Gov't. A Gov't that does not recognize the Rights of Man, as endowed by our Creator, is subject to change. Really, any Gov't that does not recognize your Rights ought to be changed as by their very nature they are illegal.

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[PJ Hardtack]

Amen to that, brother, but we are dealing with ball-less Canadians here, not Americans (particularly Texans) who built their country on armed revolution and wars.

We got used to living under the umbrella of the British Empire and have never fought a war on our own soil, although we've fought in a lot of foreign wars.

We also don't shoot our politicians, we un-elect them and let another bunch of self-serving professional trough gorgers have a go.
Then we have the nerve to call it democracy .....

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

A letter from The Canadian Taxpayer Federation;


Dear Supporter:
 
The Harper government is currently crafting a bill that will eliminate the wasteful and intrusive long-gun registry but is expected to keep in place the requirement for Canadians to take tests and become licensed before they can own firearms.
 
Last May, the CTF surveyed supporters asking whether the government should eliminate only the long-gun registry or both the registry and licensing process. More than 4,100 of you responded and said to eliminate both. 
 
Bill C-68, passed in 1995, created both the long-gun registry and formalized the requirement for law-abiding long-gun owners to take tests and become licensed before registering their firearms. Previously, Canadians were required to obtain a Firearms Acquisition Certificate (FAC), which included a police check, in order to purchase guns.
 
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[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Here is a poll for you to enter your vote.  So far it is 67% for abolishing the long gun registry.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/10/20/long-gun-registry-victim-conservative-government-scrapping_n_1021558.html?ir=Canada

Of course, the aunty gunners are chiming in for "victims rights" and I am sympathetic, but the example in this news story doesn't seem to have anything to do with long guns.

The public relations battle is on!

[PJ Hardtack]

Actually, the battle for votes is on ..... not for public opinion.

Which ever side garners the most votes as a bloc wins.

Looking back at the destruction of the Liberal party over C-68 and other 'gun control' bills (PC Kim Campbell's C-17, etc.), it has to be clear that it was political suicide for the Libs and PCs, Alan Rock's 'vision of a country where only the Army and Police would have guns' notwithstanding.

The mere fact that he could utter such authoritarian tripe (and how receptive the mob and media were), shows how close we were/are to living in a police state.

Don Cherry was right - In Canada,

"The Liberals are conservatives, the Conservatives are liberals and the NDP/Socialists are communists."

Any government is a reflection of the society that puts it into power and tolerates it's excesses. "We have met the enemy, and they is us."   Pogo

[wildman1]

We're rooting for Ya'll. WM

[Charlie Bowdre]

voted
dutchy

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Here is my latest news;

Bill C-19 has now been put before the house which is the bill to kill the long gun registry.  Quite interestingly, the bill also states very clearly that ALL OF THE RECORDS MUST BE DESTROYED!  (Both the Federal and Provincial Firearms Officers records it says in the fine print)

I have a pdf copy of the bill if you want to look through it …, but I don't know how to post it.  Send me your email if you want me to forward by email, or you may go to your NFA rep or MP.
 

[Short Knife Johnson]

Did it go for it's third reading today then? 

Wow, I wouldn't have believed this until I seen it.  Not sure I've ever seen a bill get ramrodded like C-19.

[wildman1]

Get er done.  WM

[Charlie Bowdre]

Never thought I'd see the day!

[Garand]

I won't start cheering until the 28 charter violations in Bill C-68 have been reversed. The registry was just a smoke screen for those that aren't deep thinkers, it really didn't amount to much of a problem.

[Charlie Bowdre]

AH , maybe just a little 'Hurray"
 
Enjoy
Dutchy

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Here is my latest info on this topic;


I thought you'd like to see this one.  The NDP’ers wanted to keep “bad, scary, long guns” registered (accurate long range sniper rifles basically) … but it was shot down by the Conservative committee on Bill C-19 and the bill has now passed through Committee without change and will now be sent back to the House.  … but I see that the Tories also said that “sniper rifles” were a “separate issue” and they didn’t rule out the possibility of looking at those later?  We’ll have to watch them closely on that one!Here is the link to the news article …

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/11/29/pol-gun-registry-clause-by-clause.html

[PJ Hardtack]

I saw an NDP 'talking head' on the toob ranting about "sniper rifles" and how no one needs such a rifle for hunting, etc.

These guys just don't get it - classification of guns is just another smoke screen. A gun is a gun is a gun - period. It's just another version of the 'good gun/bad gun' debate.
A 'sniper rifle' is any rifle used in a sniping application, regardless of 'tacticool' stock, bipod, sights, etc. How does a .338 Lapua in 'sniper' mode differ from a .338 Tikka or Browning in 'sporting' dress?

Any military rifle since the American War of Independence can and has been used in a 'sniping' mode.

Yadda- yadda -yadda ..... the world's economy is going to hell in a handbasket and these trough gorgers are obfuscating over PC bafflegab and non-issues.

[sail32]

Now, as of 29 Nov 2011;


Should the long-gun registry be abolished?

 Yes   73.41%
 
No    26.59%

[wildman1]

If ya'll can pull this off north of the border, maybe there is hope for us down here.  WM

[PJ Hardtack]

Wildman

You're absolutely right! If we can reverse this PC travesty against lawful gun owners, it may set the tone for other countries. I do not believe that your country and your police are any more favourably disposed towards private gun ownership than ours; the 2nd amendment notwithstanding. A lot of Americans are asleep at the wheel, not recognizing the threat and letting others carry the ball for them.

We've had a couple of generations raised on anti-gun propaganda and our police have been inculcated with the notion that a citizen with a gun constitutes a threat to peace, order and good government. I frequently ask gun owners if they regard police as their 'friends', the way we were taught to regard cops when we were kids - answer: NO!

When we see a cop in our rear view mirrors, we automatically think he's running our plate through the computer and will pull us over looking for a bust. Honest citizens living in fear of their police does not make for effective policing which requires public support. This is 'police state' mentality no matter how you look at it.

Saying that if you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear is disingenuous if you can be in trouble for a paper work violation or have a few loose rnds of ammo forgotten in a glove box or console. Kids playing 'Cowboys & Indians' with guns is now politically incorrect and can result in a take down by armed cops.

This very thing happened to the handicapped son of friends. He was 49 and had the mentality and physical characteristics of a 12 year old. He was playing outside his brother's trailer home near a school with a 'Star Wars' plastic pistol. Someone reported a 'man with a gun' and three cops with drawn guns put him down at gun point!
At the time he was 'unarmed', walking to the store to buy milk. He was badly traumatized and died a year later, almost to the day of his takedown. It was thought to be a contributory factor in his decline.
The official policy of the RCMP was that they had acted "within policy guidelines". That suggests that the "policy guidelines" need to be re-examined.