If you were shooting offhand, any pie plate, paper plate, or milk jug MOA is good shooting when it comes to a defensive size grouping. Most of my handgun shooting is off hand point shooting, slow deliberate aim, double action, double taps, sometimes all six as fast as I can thumb the trigger back or double action them (single and double actions). Do singles, doubles or a magazine full with auto's. Practice and shoot all forms. Don't do very much bench shooting with a handgun, just prefer various offhand styles, esp combat style shooting. Use to shoot PPC early on in police career, but switched over to a Practical Combat Course later on. More realistic for police work and enjoyed it more. If I can cover shots with my hand at 25 yards, be happy, the pie plate, paper plate, milk jug MOA's work just fine.