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Title: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Pitspitr on July 07, 2018, 01:48:04 PM
Boers, Boxers, Moros, and Zulu's

I will be hosting the 2019 Grand Muster, June 28, 29 & 30 at my farm. 

This Muster will be open to anyone in the GAF. If not currently a member I can help you register. (Membership in the GAF is free and easy) By using Google Earth and going to  41°40'16.24"N Latitude and  99°19'42.54"W Longitude you can see the Grand Muster site. Registration forms are available below and on the dispatches page of the Grand Army's Web site. Participation will be limited to 45 shooters. Registration is $85 Extra banquet meals are $17.50 (for non-shooting wives, girlfriends, and children, ect.). Meals will be available on site from Delmonico. Those wishing to attend but not compete may do so without registration fee, but be sure to pay the meal fee if you plan to eat with us.

The planned activities include: a 3 stage GAF steel target main match, a Long Range Rifle match, a Precision Pistol match and a GAF Expansion Era Match. While 3 stages for the main match doesn't sound like much, these three stages will be of the skirmish format and will feature about 20 knock down targets per stage. Stage design will recount scenes from the struggle to retain empires around the world between 1874 and 1899. Round counts will be dependent on the number of times the shooter needs to shoot at each target to get it to fall. 100 rounds at least would be a good plan. This is a match that participants say truly needs to be experienced to be fully appreciated and another described as "The finest Victorian military firearms shooting match in the world."

Shooters will be able to sight in their rifles on Thursday and Friday afternoon and evening. Sighting in your rifles for the distances used is STRONGLY encouraged.

Long Range Rifle will be 100-300yds. on armor so full power jacketed bullets are fine for it.

This muster will be a primitive camping event. We will have a tent city and I have tentage for about 10 individuals if you don't have your own contact me, I can help. We should have plenty of time to sit around the campfire and visit.

The average high temperature in this area on June 30th is around 87 degrees

I've attached a FAQ sheet and a suggested equipment list.

We expect to run 3 or 4 Squads shooting concurrently. Each squad will cycle through each of the 3 main match stages, the long range match and the sidearm match on Saturday. The Long Range Match and the Precision Pistol Match will each be treated as a stage. We will run ahead of schedule if possible. We should be finished shooting the match by Saturday evening with awards presentation Saturday evening at the banquet if possible; however, if we run behind we will finish up Sunday morning. That also leaves Sunday available for happy fire and use of the Howitzer and Gattling if it returns.

If you have a UTV/ATV that you would like to bring, you are welcome use it between stages.

The banquet will return to the Comstock Premier Lodge ( http://www.comstocklodge.com/ ) for 2019 and the price of the banquet is included in your registration. If you are bringing a spouse or child who isn't a registered shooter the cost of an extra ticket for them is $17.50 Lodging is available at the lodge as well. If you are considering staying at the Comstock Lodge, don't wait too long to make reservations. I know at least one room was booked Saturday night for next year's muster. I've also reserved a block of rooms at the Wildlife Inn at nearby Taylor as well (308-942-6234) early registration is also suggested. We bought out both facilities in full in 2018.

The Grand Muster falls on the same weekend as the local city fair and the High School Alumni reunions so all area motels WILL sell out. If planning to stay in a motel MAKE YOUR RESERVATIONS EARLY!

With just under 9 months until the 2019 Grand Muster we are already 29% full. Don't wait until the last minute to make your reservations!
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Guns Garrett on July 08, 2018, 11:34:39 AM
Looks like my idea to go with portraying a member of the 20th Kansas Volunteers will fit right into 2019's theme.  They were among the first units to come into combat with the Filipino insurgents immediately after the Span-Am War.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Pitspitr on July 08, 2018, 03:38:13 PM
Attached are links to the registration form and the Release form:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=14JOPROUsZZHPMSxLW2yurKZrS4O73Qpp (https://drive.google.com/open?id=14JOPROUsZZHPMSxLW2yurKZrS4O73Qpp)

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1e6whJRvRiOJ4hIW1VKtzMizzYboKvYNb (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1e6whJRvRiOJ4hIW1VKtzMizzYboKvYNb)

Please fill out and send both of these with your entry.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Pitspitr on July 08, 2018, 03:56:15 PM
I've attached a link with most of the pre-muster information, including FAQ's Uniform contest entry form ect. I highly recommend anyone wishing to enter any of the uniform contests e-mail me the entries ahead of the muster
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B9M9unK0x7oodGx4dENRWE9IUzg?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B9M9unK0x7oodGx4dENRWE9IUzg?usp=sharing)
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: 1961MJS on July 10, 2018, 10:59:58 PM
Hi Jerry
Check is in the mail.
Later
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: smoke on July 26, 2018, 06:06:02 AM
Tag
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: OklaTom on July 30, 2018, 02:54:00 PM
Sending my paperwork and check this week.  ;D
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Dusty Tagalon on September 27, 2018, 09:17:20 AM
Registration form added to GAF web site.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Pitspitr on October 05, 2018, 09:29:29 AM
With the theme of next year's Grand Muster being what it is, I watched 55 Days in Peking last night.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Drydock on October 05, 2018, 06:50:13 PM
That's for 2020 Jerry,  no peking!
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Pitspitr on October 08, 2018, 09:54:48 AM

Yes, I realize that, but technically the Boxer Rebellion started in November of 1899...

But I did watch the movie the other night and found it interesting and got me fire up for next June!
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: smoke on October 15, 2018, 05:15:37 PM
Mahdists...you forgot the Mahdists down in the Sudan.  Martini Henry's, pith helmets, Fuzzy Wuzzies...what more does a guy need?
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on October 15, 2018, 10:28:56 PM
Mahdists...you forgot the Mahdists down in the Sudan.  Martini Henry's, pith helmets, Fuzzy Wuzzies...what more does a guy need?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/22/Clive_Dunn-1973.png)

Slim
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: smoke on October 16, 2018, 05:30:53 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/22/Clive_Dunn-1973.png)

Slim

(https://i.imgur.com/XS5LK.gif)
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Pitspitr on April 19, 2019, 03:41:00 PM
As of today we are officially over 60% full. This is far ealier than usual.

Officially Registered participants are:
Pitspitr
J Dawg
Neiderlander
Black Jack Ketchum
Mustang John Bass
Mike Schroeder
Whiskey Double
Blue Eyed Caballero
Blue Bonnet
Allen Ashton
Oklahoma Tom
Shifty McCarthage
Scissors
Broken Nose Scotty
Miss Teresa
Yuma City Kid
Rattlesnake Jack Robson
Kit Peak
Trinity Iron Wrangler
Scruffy Skip
Hat Full of Brass
Sugar Annie
Guns Garrett
Wooly Dan
Good Troy
Miss Red
River City John
Col. Diamond
Brian Bauer
Bat Masterson
Sagebrush Burns
Karol Bullen
Capt. Little
Cactus Rope
Johnson Barr
Silver Creek Slim
Micah Brook
Drydock


If you don't see your name on the list check with me.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on April 19, 2019, 05:28:18 PM
My printer ink should be here tomorrow so I can print the registration form. Then, it will be in the mail.

Slim
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on May 06, 2019, 09:50:14 PM
Registration for Micah and me will be in the mail tomorrow.

Slim
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Pitspitr on May 30, 2019, 11:16:19 AM
Looking like we won't sell out.
Get your registrations in...and bring a friend
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: 1961MJS on May 30, 2019, 12:29:17 PM
But how can our reigning champion, Hawkeye Hefner, defend his "crown" (Fedora?) if he ain't coiming?

I feel bad now.

Later
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Pitspitr on May 30, 2019, 01:02:24 PM
Oh, I imagine he'll be there. He's just usually one of the last to send in his registration.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: pony express on May 30, 2019, 01:53:45 PM
General Pitspitr, it appears that I will not be able to attend this year, due to an extreme personnel shortage at the home office. Beginning mid-June, it'll be 6 days a week for me, until new subs can be recruited and trained. >:(
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: smoke on May 30, 2019, 09:23:04 PM
I cannot attend due to date...we have traditionally gone on vacation that first part of July.  We will be on Cape Cod for the Fourth.  We try to get there by the end of June and settle in for the Holiday.

I am trying to be there in spirit and be out shooting some course of fire.  Sadly it will not be as fun, have knock down targets etc.  However, with any luck I will be in costume and shooting.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Pitspitr on May 31, 2019, 07:29:53 AM
General Pitspitr, it appears that I will not be able to attend this year, due to an extreme personnel shortage at the home office. Beginning mid-June, it'll be 6 days a week for me, until new subs can be recruited and trained. >:(
OH NO!
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Pitspitr on May 31, 2019, 07:30:20 AM
I am trying to be there in spirit and be out shooting some course of fire.  Sadly it will not be as fun, have knock down targets etc.  However, with any luck I will be in costume and shooting.
Good on you!
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: ira scott on May 31, 2019, 04:06:09 PM
I have discovered that Yuma (Damn you Irons!), and the infamous River City John will not only be in attendance this year, but are actually going to participate in the hostilities. That should ramp up the entertainment value a notch or two!

Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on May 31, 2019, 05:38:03 PM
I have discovered that Yuma (Damn you Irons!), and the infamous River City John will not only be in attendance this year, but are actually going to participate in the hostilities. That should ramp up the entertainment value a notch or two!
;D

Slim
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Niederlander on May 31, 2019, 06:05:51 PM
Oh, I imagine he'll be there. He's just usually one of the last to send in his registration.
I have it on good authority he WILL be there!
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: River City John on May 31, 2019, 06:06:55 PM
Say listen, Broken Nose, are you doing a Cavalry impression this year?
I have just the horse for ya!


 ;D
RCJ
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Drydock on May 31, 2019, 07:50:51 PM
Anyone who has some, please bring black rooster tail feathers, I need all I can get . . .






(They're for a hat, ya dirty minded bastages . . .)
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: ira scott on May 31, 2019, 07:59:20 PM

Those would be "cock"  feathers, correct Colonel?
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Drydock on May 31, 2019, 09:02:32 PM
See!  I tells ya, QUALITY harassment!
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Dalton Masterson on June 09, 2019, 06:16:08 PM
Looks like I will be there either Fri night or early Saturday with Pooper Trooper (Justin Time aka Wesley) shooting as well.
My dad might as come as well either armed with a camera or guns. Not sure yet.

DM
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Delmonico on June 10, 2019, 07:26:35 PM
I am planning on being there Sunday or Monday and being able to feed anyone helping set up and enjoying my retirement.

Oh did I mention wife and I retired in April, decided we could do it, we were both just plain tired of dealing with stupid people. 

Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Drydock on June 10, 2019, 07:51:43 PM
Congratulations!  That stupid people thing is what I most look forward to in my retirement.  They're everywhere!

Plan to be up there Tuesday evening.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Delmonico on June 10, 2019, 08:49:41 PM
Congratulations!  That stupid people thing is what I most look forward to in my retirement.  They're everywhere!

Plan to be up there Tuesday evening.

More details around the fire. 

How about meatloaf for supper that night and have meatloaf sandwiches for lunch Wednesday.  Put a ham in Tuesday night to have ham and eggs Wednesday morning and have choice of ham or meatloaf sandwiches for lunch.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Sagebrush Burns on June 10, 2019, 10:43:58 PM
More details around the fire. 

How about meatloaf for supper that night and have meatloaf sandwiches for lunch Wednesday.  Put a ham in Tuesday night to have ham and eggs Wednesday morning and have choice of ham or meatloaf sandwiches for lunch.

That sounds really good.  Karol and I will be there on Tuesday, so how about some onion free meat loaf?
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Delmonico on June 10, 2019, 11:48:35 PM
That sounds really good.  Karol and I will be there on Tuesday, so how about some onion free meat loaf?

Will do, tell her I'll bring her oven.  Is her friend coming also.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Sagebrush Burns on June 12, 2019, 10:55:30 PM
Will do, tell her I'll bring her oven.  Is her friend coming also.

Delmonico, I think you may have Karol confused with someone else, perhaps Capt Dan's wife?
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Pitspitr on June 13, 2019, 08:05:51 AM
Well, I was out mowing yesterday and found I have more work than I anticipated. At least one trail to a stage has a decent washout that will need filled and a couple of the posts on the Moro target have rotted off and will need replaced.  :-\ I should still have plenty of time to make the repairs....unless it starts raining again and doesn't quit.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: OklaTom on June 13, 2019, 08:17:21 AM
Well, I was out mowing yesterday and found I have more work than I anticipated. At least one trail to a stage has a decent washout that will need filled and a couple of the posts on the Moro target have rotted off and will need replaced.  :-\ I should still have plenty of time to make the repairs....unless it starts raining again and doesn't quit.

Time is growing thin, isn?t it?  ::)
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Pitspitr on June 13, 2019, 09:59:33 AM
As long as it stays dry, I'll be fine. If not.... ::)
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Dusty Tagalon on June 13, 2019, 11:51:44 AM
A couple of weeks out now, see some improvement on road closures affecting Eastern Nebraska, Western Iowa, so as you plan, keep these 2 websites in mind.

https://hb.511.nebraska.gov/#roadReports?timeFrame=TODAY&layers=roadReports%2CwinterDriving%2CotherStates

https://www.511ia.org/

Dusty
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Pitspitr on June 13, 2019, 12:35:41 PM
Thank You Dusty!
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: smoke on June 13, 2019, 08:14:11 PM
As long as it stays dry, I'll be fine. If not.... ::)

It will never stop raining.  There is so much water in my backyard right now, I could do a river crossing  stage. >:(
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Pitspitr on June 17, 2019, 08:50:44 AM
2 Reminders:

1. If you have a 4-wheeler or UTV you don't mind dragging along please bring it. With the amount of rain we've received this spring and the forecast, we may be using UTV's to ferry equipment to the top of the hill and into the shooting canyons.

2. If you have gifts you can provide for the door prize drawings, please don't forget to bring them.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Whiskey Double on June 17, 2019, 07:34:38 PM
I'm bringing my rhino that can haul 4 . not sure if I can get my 4 wheeler in back of pick up, won't fit in trailer with rhino.
I will be there Wednesday afternoon unless you want me Tuesday.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: ira scott on June 17, 2019, 07:47:00 PM
General Jerry, I have contacted my former employer, and have received permission to borrow a big 6 passenger Mule Pro FXT like I brought in the past. Lt. Colonel Quickfire and I will be arriving Monday afternoon. Please do not kill yourself trying to get everything done before help arrives!
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on June 17, 2019, 09:32:18 PM
As things are currently shaping up, I will arrive sometime on Thursday afternoon.  Will be bunking at the Comstock Lodge, where Guns Garrett and I are sharing a room. 

As things look now, General, will the trail up to the top be passable for "reasonable" vehicles?  I believe I will be bringing my venerable 4WD Trail Blazer.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Pitspitr on June 18, 2019, 09:08:12 AM
As things are currently shaping up, I will arrive sometime on Thursday afternoon.  Will be bunking at the Comstock Lodge, where Guns Garrett and I are sharing a room. 

As things look now, General, will the trail up to the top be passable for "reasonable" vehicles?  I believe I will be bringing my venerable 4WD Trail Blazer.
It should be.  The forecast I saw yesterday was saying rain through the early part of next week then hot after that, so should be dry by the time activities commence
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Dusty Tagalon on June 18, 2019, 07:29:53 PM
Loaded 90 rounds 50/70 today, have another 100 brass on the way.
Bringing 2 guns, an 1866 cadet rifle (Not a cadet rifle, Bannerman shortened, bbl 29.5? vs 33?, & 13.25? from center of butt stock to center of trigger guard vs 12?). & a converted Sharps carbine.
Dusty
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Whiskey Double on June 21, 2019, 06:49:50 AM
General Sir
 I'll be bringing both my ATV and my UTV arriving Wednesday early afternoon.  If there is anything else you need let me know.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on June 21, 2019, 02:12:40 PM
I got started with the "downloaded" Martini-Henry cartridges I need for the main match skirmishes, by casting a bunch of 405 grain ".45-70 bullets" the other day.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/600x600q90/924/nLm2MU.jpg)

However, I hit a snag in loading the actual cartridges - started chamber-checking cases in my "new" Royal Canadian Artillery-marked Mark III Martini-Henry rifle that I want to use for this Muster (since I am doing an Artillery impression) and find that it apparently has a "tighter" chamber than any of my other M-H rifles (including the other Mk III rifle I have previously used and would have along this time as backup.)  At any rate, many of my cases were a bit difficule to chamber ... at least half of them to such an extent they wouldn't go in far enough to permit me to close the breechblock! 

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/600x600q90/921/3SuKzf.jpg)

So, I've had to divert into a round of annealing all of them, then full-length resizing the lot!  Even after doing that, I still have a small number of cases which don't chamber properly .... but I can leave those aside for later since I do have enough to load what i need for Muster.   I'll be hopefully get that done today, finally! Gotta ensure that all rounds chamber properly in both rifles I'll have along, since I'll be over a thousand miles from home ...

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/525x725q90/923/s83asO.jpg)

... and it seems highly unlikely anyone else there will be able to lend me a rifle that will take my ammo ...  ::)
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: smoke on June 21, 2019, 02:48:31 PM
RSJ...what is this downloaded load you speak of?  I just bought dies, and mold for my MH.  I would love to find a downloaded...AKA cheap...load for it.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Delmonico on June 21, 2019, 04:18:11 PM
I am still planning on arriving on Monday afternoon noon.

I will figure out something for a meal for Monday night supper, so if anyone needs such let me know by Sunday evening, but as always there should be plenty if someone didn't get their name in the pot.

Due to being retired and not having to deal with work bull crap this year I started a sourdough starter and plan on making my famous sourdough sinner-mon rolls that have never been made at the Muster.

Tongue in cheek, any kale eaters out there?  I have a way to make it edible and will have some but it may not last more than a day or two, but will be fun to offer samples of since this ain't yer Yuppie neighbors kale.

Also Jerry sent me a picture of his large turnip patch and any meal with turnip greens will have other side dishes for those who don't appreciate the finer things in life.  Vinegar and hot sauce will be available for those who do.  Quest for smoked hog jewels will happen tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on June 21, 2019, 04:49:48 PM
RSJ...what is this downloaded load you speak of?  I just bought dies, and mold for my MH.  I would love to find a downloaded...AKA cheap...load for it.

Essentially, I am trying to approximate the Martini-Henry "carbine load" introduced in 1877 ... it having been found that the M-H carbines were virtually unusable with the full rifle load of 480 grain bullet and 85 grains powder (... ask Guns Garrett and his poor shoulder about that!)  This called for a shorter 410 grain bullet, so the 405gr bullet is darned close (... although they are a bit too small in diameter, so I cast them quite soft so they "bump up" better in the rifling, and shoot them unsized as well) and 70 grains of powder.  Essentially the same load as the ultimate .45-70 loading, you'll note. 

The difficulty is that although the original full 85 grain rifle charge came all the way up to the bottom of the cartridge neck, the level of 70 grains of powder falls below the shoulder of the Martini-Henry case. They originally used a quantity of carded wool below the "glazed disk" in the carbine load, to take up the space, then later the carbine load cases were instead lined with a coil of heavy paper/light cardboard below the shoulder. 

Unfortunately, "modern" commonly employed fillers (like cornmeal, seminola, grits or whatever) may be problematic because they can reportedly "slug up" in the bottleneck, resulting in erratic pressures and potential loss of accuracy (if not dangerous overpressure.) The solution is to use an "active filler" (a 50/50 mix of black powder and the cornmeal or other filler) over a reduced powder charge.  The BP within the filler theoretically burns as soon as the powder charge goes off and prevents "slugging" of the filler in the neck.  Technically, you have to include the BP within the filler as part of your powder charge, so I use about 55 grains of 2F topped by 30 grain equivalent (by volume) of the 50/50 "active" filler - this pretty much duplicates the volume of an 85 grain charge, while yielding an "actual" charge of 70 grains BP (i.e. 55 + 15).

I also use a "grease cookie" (a disk of good soft BP lube, such as SPG or homemade equivalent, sandwiched between disks punched out of coated milk carton material) directly under the bullet, in place of the beeswax wad and glazed cardboard disks of the original loads, to help keep fouling soft through a course of firing without cleaning, such as we do in GAF skirmishes ... 

Here is a graphic, based on the period cross-section of a full rifle load in a drawn brass case, on the right, to illustrate my adaptation ...

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/581x542q90/924/NzEsE1.jpg)

I use similar construction for my .577 Snider-Enfield cartridges although, since they have a straight-walled case, a plain filler can be used in lieu of the "active" filler. Although it may increase competition for me in the British military firearms field (... not that I am terribly good to start with, mind you ...) I have no problem sharing my experiences and methods ... I will turn 70 this fall, so gotta pass on the lore before it is too late!
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: 1961MJS on June 22, 2019, 09:27:52 PM
Hi

Loaded 300 rounds of .45 Schofield brass, it holds the ejector better than the .45 Long Colt does.  I'm also reloading more .30-40 Krag.  I figure we get 60 rounds of Rilfe and 20 of pistol per run (Right?) and there's one Friday, four Saturday for 300 rounds of Rifle if I miss a lot plus 20 for long range. 

I'll have to segregate brass, the chambers on the carbine and rifle aren't much alike.

Later

Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: smoke on June 23, 2019, 04:44:02 PM
Essentially, I am trying to approximate the Martini-Henry "carbine load" introduced in 1877 ... it having been found that the M-H carbines were virtually unusable with the full rifle load of 480 grain bullet and 85 grains powder (... ask Guns Garrett and his poor shoulder about that!)  This called for a shorter 410 grain bullet, so the 405gr bullet is darned close (... although they are a bit too small in diameter, so I cast them quite soft so they "bump up" better in the rifling, and shoot them unsized as well) and 70 grains of powder.  Essentially the same load as the ultimate .45-70 loading, you'll note. 

The difficulty is that although the original full 85 grain rifle charge came all the way up to the bottom of the cartridge neck, the level of 70 grains of powder falls below the shoulder of the Martini-Henry case. They originally used a quantity of carded wool below the "glazed disk" in the carbine load, to take up the space, then later the carbine load cases were instead lined with a coil of heavy paper/light cardboard below the shoulder. 

Unfortunately, "modern" commonly employed fillers (like cornmeal, seminola, grits or whatever) may be problematic because they can reportedly "slug up" in the bottleneck, resulting in erratic pressures and potential loss of accuracy (if not dangerous overpressure.) The solution is to use an "active filler" (a 50/50 mix of black powder and the cornmeal or other filler) over a reduced powder charge.  The BP within the filler theoretically burns as soon as the powder charge goes off and prevents "slugging" of the filler in the neck.  Technically, you have to include the BP within the filler as part of your powder charge, so I use about 55 grains of 2F topped by 30 grain equivalent (by volume) of the 50/50 "active" filler - this pretty much duplicates the volume of an 85 grain charge, while yielding an "actual" charge of 70 grains BP (i.e. 55 + 15).

I also use a "grease cookie" (a disk of good soft BP lube, such as SPG or homemade equivalent, sandwiched between disks punched out of coated milk carton material) directly under the bullet, in place of the beeswax wad and glazed cardboard disks of the original loads, to help keep fouling soft through a course of firing without cleaning, such as we do in GAF skirmishes ... 

Here is a graphic, based on the period cross-section of a full rifle load in a drawn brass case, on the right, to illustrate my adaptation ...

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/581x542q90/924/NzEsE1.jpg)

I use similar construction for my .577 Snider-Enfield cartridges although, since they have a straight-walled case, a plain filler can be used in lieu of the "active" filler. Although it may increase competition for me in the British military firearms field (... not that I am terribly good to start with, mind you ...) I have no problem sharing my experiences and methods ... I will turn 70 this fall, so gotta pass on the lore before it is too late!

RSJ....sorry that I did not respond right away.  I've been traveling for family issues.   

Great explanation and pics.  I'll honest...I want this to shoot in my full length rifle.  No carbine in my arsenal.  I need one.   :D

Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on June 23, 2019, 05:02:39 PM
I don't have a Martini-Henry carbine, either ... but this is an approximation of the downloaded carbine cartridge, which is much more pleasant to shoot in the rifle than the full rifle load ...and also happens to comply with the GAF bullet weight and velocity limits for rifles of .50 caliber or less ... 

If you will be at the GAF Muster, by any chance, look me up and I can let you compare shooting this "carbine load" with the full-spec rifle load, as i will have a number of the latter along for the long-range rifle event.

(As you may be aware, the original U.S. .45-70 military cartridges were produced in both a "rifle load" with a 500 grain bullet and a "carbine load" with the 405 grain bullet, but the heavier bullet load was not pleasnt to shoot even in the rifles, and the load was fairly soon standardized with the lighter bullet ...)
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on June 23, 2019, 06:11:39 PM
Heading out for NE in a little bit. Will go at least to Dubuque, tonight.

Slim
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Dusty Tagalon on June 23, 2019, 06:30:43 PM
My 50/70 are lite, 48 grains APP, 385 grain bullet.
Brian
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Delmonico on June 23, 2019, 07:12:36 PM
Heading out for NE in a little bit. Will go at least to Dubuque, tonight.

Slim

Be careful, I think they have frost warnings.😂
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: smoke on June 23, 2019, 09:05:56 PM
I don't have a Martini-Henry carbine, either ... but this is an approximation of the downloaded carbine cartridge, which is much more pleasant to shoot in the rifle than the full rifle load ...and also happens to comply with the GAF bullet weight and velocity limits for rifles of .50 caliber or less ... 

If you will be at the GAF Muster, by any chance, look me up and I can let you compare shooting this "carbine load" with the full-spec rifle load, as i will have a number of the latter along for the long-range rifle event.

(As you may be aware, the original U.S. .45-70 military cartridges were produced in both a "rifle load" with a 500 grain bullet and a "carbine load" with the 405 grain bullet, but the heavier bullet load was not pleasnt to shoot even in the rifles, and the load was fairly soon standardized with the lighter bullet ...)

Thanks for the offer...alas we have long standing yearly plans that really prevent me from making a muster.  4th July on Cape Cod is a grand display of civil disobedience and heck of fireworks show.  This years plans are up in the air due to my mom have major health issues.  I really wanted ot "Head up the Nile" and be there with you guys but it won't work out.

Is it un-manly to admit that I wish the carbine load for a .45-70 were even lighter?  Because I wish that every time I shoot a carbine.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Delmonico on June 23, 2019, 09:24:41 PM




Is it un-manly to admit that I wish the carbine load for a .45-70 were even lighter?  Because I wish that every time I shoot a carbine.

Not if you admit you are  a worn out old phart.

Don't waterfowl hunt anymore and was thinking the other day I ought to give my H&R 10 gauge to my nephew.

Dang, used to load a couple boxes of 8's and go shoot targets with it, really poofs them but do I want to abuse myself that bad anymore?
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: smoke on June 23, 2019, 09:32:54 PM
Not if you admit you are  a worn out old phart.

Don't waterfowl hunt anymore and was thinking the other day I ought to give my H&R 10 gauge to my nephew.

Dang, used to load a couple boxes of 8's and go shoot targets with it, really poofs them but do I want to abuse myself that bad anymore?

I ain't worn out yet! Dagnabit!  Close but not yet! >:( ;D
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: smoke on June 23, 2019, 09:44:41 PM
I have no problem sharing my experiences and methods ... I will turn 70 this fall, so gotta pass on the lore before it is too late!

BTW....70?  Yikes!  I thought you were maybe 60ish.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Delmonico on June 23, 2019, 09:54:08 PM
I ain't worn out yet! Dagnabit!  Close but not yet! >:( ;D

Then shoot them and quit whining.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on June 24, 2019, 01:02:24 PM
My 50/70 are lite, 48 grains APP, 385 grain bullet.
Brian

I like to shoot the .577 Snider-Enfield with the full load of 70gr powder and 480grn bullet ... 

That load doesn't leave those targets standing as long as you hit 'em ... although I've had a couple bounce back up!   ;D
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Drydock on June 24, 2019, 05:11:36 PM
Extry lite load for my Extry short trapdoor:  A Big Lube PRS 260 grain bullet, (drops .457"), a .460 1/2" Circle Fly wad, and 45 grains FFG.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on June 24, 2019, 08:23:08 PM
Extry lite load for my Extry short trapdoor:  A Big Lube PRS 260 grain bullet, (drops .457"), a .460 1/2" Circle Fly wad, and 45 grains FFG.

Sounds like what some uncharitable folks might call a "mouse fart load" ... ;)
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Drydock on June 24, 2019, 09:27:44 PM
More like a "rat fart" really. 
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: 1961MJS on June 25, 2019, 10:54:22 AM
More like a "rat fart" really.

Hi
I have always understood the term mouse fart load, but if didn't hit home until last year at OKC gun club.  I was talking to the guy who makes my hats.  We were about 25 yards behind the firing line and couldn't hear the pistols go off, but could hear the lead hitting metal.
That's a baby mouse.

Later
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: 1961MJS on June 25, 2019, 10:57:32 AM
Hi again

Its early in the day, but my PLAN is to leave early tomorrow morning so I'll be there for breakfast Thursday morning to help set up or make rude comments while y'all set up.

Later
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Johnny McCrae on June 25, 2019, 11:00:16 AM
I sure wish I could attend this one. I've been to several GAF Musters in Illinois through the years. GAF Musters are awesome events!
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Dusty Tagalon on June 25, 2019, 04:22:26 PM
Go ahead & make fun of my 48grs powder, 385gr .515 bullet, slight compression. Both my guns are 1863s converted to 50/70.
Dusty
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Niederlander on June 25, 2019, 09:46:27 PM
I'm not making fun of your load.  I shot a few rounds of 425 grain bullet, full charge black powder through a Sharps carbine the other day, and I have a visible bruise on my shoulder.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: River City John on June 26, 2019, 05:30:21 PM
Colonel Drydock,

received the packet downloads. Do you want us to print out a score sheet and an Indemnity waver pre-filled out to hand in when checking in?
Or will these be provided for us to fill out?
RCJ
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Dusty Tagalon on June 27, 2019, 02:43:16 PM
Could have arrived on Thursday, had a couple of meetings on Thursday to setup volunteering at VA, 1st day next Tuesday. Show & tell, bringing a couple odd balls, 1st an 1895 Winchester carbine in 7.62, 2nd rarer, an 1899 S&W target.
Brian
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Delmonico on June 30, 2019, 10:24:56 PM
It's over, they all pulled out, it's quiet on the hill, I guess I  need to go home in the morning.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: 1961MJS on June 30, 2019, 11:09:44 PM
Hi Del

Just got home and un packed.  Got lots of laundry and sorting to do.

Later

Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Niederlander on July 01, 2019, 09:32:49 AM
Hope everyone at this year's Muster had a good time.  I know I sure enjoyed it!  My favorite part is reconnection with everyone!
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on July 01, 2019, 10:36:39 AM
Request for photo(s) - as usual, I was too busy (and heat fatigued) to get any photos this year. I am asking anyone who took a photo of me in my full Artillery uniform to send me a copy (as high-res as possible) to my e-mail address: grantrombough (at) shaw (dot) ca ... given here in ?cleverly disguised form in an attempt to fool the web crawler ?bots, although they have likely become too sophisticated for it to succeed ...
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Delmonico on July 01, 2019, 01:41:05 PM
I got home about a 1/2 hour ago,  Slim and Micah made it safe also.

Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Sagebrush Burns on July 01, 2019, 10:36:33 PM
My favorite part is reconnection with everyone!

Here! Here!  It is always good to reconnect (thanks, Quick Fire, for taking such good care of me).  The skirmishes and the people were all fun, although the weather (upper 90s and very humid) nearly did me in once or twice.  Gotta toughen up I guess.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: 1961MJS on July 02, 2019, 10:02:57 AM
Hi

If anybody took a picture of Drydock with his Rooster Butt hat, uniform, Vetterli, and x pistsol, please post.  A guy at work, who is a potential recruit, asked if anybody shot any weird cool stuff.  I think he meant a step or so past a Trapdoor, Winchester 73 or a Krag.  I'm sure Drydock's Vetterli and Rooster Butt hat qualifies.

Later
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Drydock on July 02, 2019, 10:10:27 AM
Several folks took pictures, hopefully someone will post!  Yes, I am weird, but cool . . .
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Lord Eoin MacKenzie on July 02, 2019, 10:19:38 AM
It sounds like y'all had fun.   I am still stuck here in Everett, WA.   Still getting equipment and Kit together, since my household stuff is in Iowa, (long story).  I there be any video of the action?   Type at Y'all later.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: 1961MJS on July 02, 2019, 10:22:54 AM
Hey, what pistol was that?  I need to look it up.  And no, I don't need any more stuff to reload...

Later
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Drydock on July 02, 2019, 10:45:31 AM
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=m1889+bodeo+revolver&view=detail&mid=9237E289F967B49662169237E289F967B4966216&FORM=VIRE

M1889 Bodeo.  It's a somewhat tapered .44 Russian,
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Drydock on July 02, 2019, 10:51:52 AM
Someone asked how the rifle worked:  https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=vetterli+vitali&view=detail&mid=360B02A4E3CD13F49B7B360B02A4E3CD13F49B7B&FORM=VIRE
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Pitspitr on July 02, 2019, 12:50:10 PM
It sounds like y'all had fun.   I am still stuck here in Everett, WA.   Still getting equipment and Kit together, since my household stuff is in Iowa, (long story).  I there be any video of the action?   Type at Y'all later.
I lived at Marysville for 7 years when I was a kid.

There will be video. I had a drone come in and film part of it.

In the mean time there is video of previous musters on youtube.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Delmonico on July 02, 2019, 12:51:09 PM
I should have it on one of my cameras but may be a few days till I can down load it.  May have the cycle messenger going over the hill also.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: 1961MJS on July 03, 2019, 11:22:51 AM

There will be video. I had a drone come in and film part of it.

Yeah, you might wanna mention that to us shooters before we do that again, I heard the terms Bee Aye Tea F a couple of times...

No shots though...

Later
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Pitspitr on July 03, 2019, 12:21:29 PM
Yeah, you might wanna mention that to us shooters before we do that again, I heard the terms Bee Aye Tea F a couple of times...

No shots though...

Later
;D Yeah I really intended to, but that was one of the things I forgot.
(After the match I always have a list of things I forgot, but I think it was shorter this year)
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: OklaTom on July 03, 2019, 01:07:08 PM
(After the match I always have a list of things I forgot, but I think it was shorter this year)

Mr. Barr and I like to rib you, but you really do a great job, and we thank you, sir.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Delmonico on July 03, 2019, 03:46:16 PM
;D Yeah I really intended to, but that was one of the things I forgot.
(After the match I always have a list of things I forgot, but I think it was shorter this year)

I'm already working on a list for you and me.😆

In all seriousness the big one on your list is 1 step at the cabin door to cut the drop in half.  A couple of us old pharts had a bit of trouble with that.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on July 03, 2019, 06:53:24 PM
I had foreknowledge of the drone.   ;D

Slim
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on July 04, 2019, 12:10:45 AM
There will hopefully be some footage of Guns Garrett and I tracking the drone with our rifles on its last overflight of our position (at the shelter on Ranges ! & 2) ...  ;D

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/370x636q90/923/liGzeD.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Guns Garrett on July 04, 2019, 11:58:46 AM
Seeing that flying machine gave me flashbacks to Aurora, Texas, 1897... ;D
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Johnson Barr on July 04, 2019, 02:35:27 PM
Just west of Rhome off US Highway 287 along State Highway 114. The cemetery still has an odd glow on moonless nights.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: Drydock on July 04, 2019, 03:22:09 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora,_Texas,_UFO_incident 


For those of us not conversant with the (many) oddities (Tall tales, out and out lies) of Texas History.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: pony express on July 04, 2019, 10:27:30 PM
There will hopefully be some footage of Guns Garrett and I tracking the drone with our rifles on its last overflight of our position (at the shelter on Ranges ! & 2) ...  ;D

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/370x636q90/923/liGzeD.jpg)

Well, there is a coolpicture to go with this, but I can't find it anymore...a whole platoon(at least) of WWII Russians laying on their backs on a hillside, aiming their Moisin Nagants at the sky. Sort of a "Low tech AA battery"

Also there's a short video out there of a drone filming a group of reenactors, one of them throws a spear and hits it, and another similar one involving a bow and arrow.
Title: Re: 2019 GAF Grand Muster-Defending the Empire (1874-1899)
Post by: smoke on July 05, 2019, 06:23:40 AM
(https://i0.wp.com/www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/soviet-snipers-train-at-ranging-aircraft.jpg)