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CAS TOPICS => Shooter's Meeting => Topic started by: PJ Hardtack on July 23, 2018, 12:53:50 PM
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What are the thoughts and feelings on 'Steam Punk' costuming in SASS?
One of our shooters is bringing his 15 year old daughter into CAS and she wants to do 'Steam Punk'. Suits her personality.
As far as safety goes, I don't see much difference between a Cowboy wearing cuffs, spurs, watch & chain, etc., etc. and a 'Steam Punk' with a few gadgets and gew-gaws on their person. And what about the sequined. embroidered 'B' Western outfits with loads of "Bling!"?
The best 'Steam Punk' outfits are the over-the-top ones that show imagination and craftsmanship.
What say you?
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There is such a wide range of outfits now, I think it just adds to the variety. Yeah, the B-Western bling has gotten way more than even Roy and those guys had. I enjoy seeing some of the imagination of the steampunkers.
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The realm of steam punk, lies in a Jules Verne style of sci fi. Aside from personal style, the only difference would be the futuristic weapons and inventions. The rest of it is very much Victorian era based. As long as she uses the factual period firearms, it shouldn't matter. In otherwords, no steam or elctro rifles.
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I may try Steam Punk myself. The game has all the drugstore Cowboys with broad brimmed hats, 'B' Western and townie dudes it needs.
Steam Punk adds a little flair and colour. Oh - and 'attitude'. Gotta have that certain panache to carry it off.
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I've been costuming "Steam Punk" for three seasons now. I think it's fun as heck. Lets face it, some of the "B" Western guys and gals shine so much ya need sunglasses just to shake hands.
There is no safety issues I have seen. I see it as a "go for it" thing. After all, many have forgotten this .... is a FANTASY GAME!! We play it our own way at our own level.
Steampunk Cap Gun Frontier Cartridge Cartridge Gunfighter.
Coffinmaker
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I've been costuming "Steam Punk" for three seasons now.
PICTURES!!
CC Griff
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Some of the Steam Punk pics on the net are real eyefuls! Looks really good on the gals.
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Here’s my steam punk NS revolver i built a few years ago. It hopefully will be made into a functional copy of Deckerds blaster.
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This is my "Carbine" work in progress for a steampunk.
Made it off of a free pistol (was given a pair of these, traded the other for a beat up Hawken that is also in the process of getting cleaned up. felt pretty good about all that trading). I have a 4x scope that has been painted with brass paint, and am slowly working on a way to attach it (the holes in the mid wood are part of that plan). Hope someday to put a leather case in the copper stock that has a opener that looks like a steampunk patch box.
Honestly anything that can bring a shooter in of that age should be encouraged. Verne, Doyle, Burroughs, Haggard, etc, all wrote a significant part of my youthful days.
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I love steampunk, but isn't it just a sylistic variation on "B Western"?
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Sir Charles,
Actually not really. Steampunk is based on Jules Vernon thoughts of things in the Victorian Era as the age of Steam Power and Mechanization began to raise it's head. The Accouterments are more of a wheels and gears and coper tubes and pipes, with very little sparkle bling such as buttons and snaps and spots.
Guys will normally portray as a "Townie" or Well to Do City Gentleman rather than some stylized cowboy with fuzzy chaps, vests, snake charmer boots and such. Much more ........ Refined. Oh, and feathers and goggles on one's Top Hat. Much more refined than the appearance of Roy Rogers on LSD. The look of Steampunk also causes some of those closet re-inactors Apoplexy. That alone is worth the price of admission ;D
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ta da ;)
Steamed Garlic & Stake launcher
Bottom one for Morg :)
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That Dragoon is way cool!
I'm getting more and more into this Steam Punk thing. I'm bored with the usual suspects.
I've got a pristine Tranter .450 Army that would lend itself to Steam Punk, but it's a five shot. Looks like something Sherlock Holmes would carry in his mantled greatcoat.
"A couple of Eley's #2 ought to settle the matter, eh, Watson?"
A friend took his 1862 percussion Gatling to a Steampunk event at a major hotel in Seattle. It was a major hit with the crowd.
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My Good netizens -
when one asks "what is steampunk" a fine reply is to consider Victoriana Science and Steam Technology carried even further.
As Coffin and Quirk pointed out, the original Science Fiction of Verne, Doyle, and etc ....
The newer "Wild Wild West" movie is considered steampunk by many.
We had one member here, "Captain" I believe, who was active in both CAS and Steampunk.
For your consideration, here are some photos I stole saved from the NRA SteamPunk Firearms exhibition!
yes, they really did have one!
I have about 10 all together but the others are too big to attach...
I see the NRA took it down, glad I saved some.
here are some links
https://www.nrablog.com/articles/2015/june/the-nra-national-firearms-museum-unveils-unique-new-exhibit/
(https://www.nrablog.com/articles/2015/june/the-nra-national-firearms-museum-unveils-unique-new-exhibit/)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZBgbECIDR6w/maxresdefault.jpg)
(https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Steam-Punk-Art-Worlds-First-Automatic-Handgun-2.jpg)
(https://s14544.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/IMG_5393-2-1024x683.jpg)
(https://s14544.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/IMG_5395-2-1024x683.jpg)
(https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/The-Gamechanger.jpg?10cd65)
(http://commdiginews.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/VampireGun800-800x534.jpg)
(https://academia.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/vampiregun-300x200.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/F9A3Twi3EPQ/maxresdefault.jpg)
(https://assets2.nratv.com/uploads/production/video/thumb/16750/optimized/NRANews_Marquee_CuratorsCorner_SteampunkGuns.jpg)
and some others
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/1a/9b/98/1a9b98471da3dd76e32dc8048360ec45--steampunk-hat-steampunk-weapons.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_G-EWSfJ1PwE/TAlcEwRWfAI/AAAAAAAABbs/rR1ookhtNBE/s1600/_DSC1666.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/3342/i/2012/060/0/5/steampunk_pistol_by_vrin_thomas-d4rfrda.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ElMoqFpGf10/hqdefault.jpg)
https://www.google.com/search?q=nra+steampunk&client=firefox-b-1&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF0YDLxbjcAhWQxZ8KHWNpA6oQsAQISQ&biw=1266&bih=601
(https://www.google.com/search?q=nra+steampunk&client=firefox-b-1&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF0YDLxbjcAhWQxZ8KHWNpA6oQsAQISQ&biw=1266&bih=601)
oh, and here is hoof-hearted's
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/conversions/100_2799.jpg~original)
and I would consider some of Tinker Pierce's work to be rather "steamy"
(https://i.imgur.com/ksGrco0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ynw9vjr.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/DKqVdBa.jpg)
yhs
prof marvel
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Years ago on cascity there was a lengthy discussion on a 36 shot percussian revolver, More recently I saw an article on the patenting of the same revolver. It actually existed, but only one was made.
Here it is, but it was really a 48 shooter;
http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,37896.0.html
http://museum-of-artifacts.blogspot.com/2015/10/joseph-enouys-8-cylinder-48-shot.html
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Yessir, Sir C
I would consider that thing steamy!
Yhs
Prof Marvel
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Oh man, that Buffalo Remington gives me ideas. I have one of those that is usually attached to a shoulder stock that goes on my 1860 colt as well. Yup, all kinds of ideas.
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I can foresee a new SASS shooting category - Steam Punk!
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My wife heads up our CAS group and has decided that the theme of our annual shoot next year will be "Steam Punk"/"Sherlock Holmes" ala the Robert Downy Jr. movies.
We will encourage shooters to dress 'Steam Punk' and award prizes for the best efforts, something we have not done in the past, taking it for granted that people will dress the part, and most do so quite well.
The prizes will be 'Steam Punk' guns which I will build or acquire over the winter. I'm underway with a small red dot sight on a replica '51 Navy which looks 'Steam Punk' already with it's gold and silver 'antique' engraving, etc.
Now I gotta figure out where to put a gauge and some gears. Watched a really neat video on how to 'Steam Punk' a NERF pistol into a fantasmogorical creation.
I bought a set of 'Steam Punk' googles in a local funky shop and the young clerk told me she was into the genre, making up 'Steam Punk' pistols from water pistols. They looked pretty good, so I may commission her to build trophy guns if I'm not happy with my own efforts.
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My wife heads up our CAS group and has decided that the theme of our annual shoot next year will be "Steam Punk"/"Sherlock Holmes" ala the Robert Downy Jr. movies.
We will encourage shooters to dress 'Steam Punk' and award prizes for the best efforts, something we have not done in the past, taking it for granted that people will dress the part, and most do so quite well.
The prizes will be 'Steam Punk' guns which I will build or acquire over the winter. I'm underway with a small red dot sight on a replica '51 Navy which looks 'Steam Punk' already with it's gold and silver 'antique' engraving, etc.
Now I gotta figure out where to put a gauge and some gears. Watched a really neat video on how to 'Steam Punk' a NERF pistol into a fantasmogorical creation.
I bought a set of 'Steam Punk' googles in a local funky shop and the young clerk told me she was into the genre, making up 'Steam Punk' pistols from water pistols. They looked pretty good, so I may commission her to build trophy guns if I'm not happy with my own efforts.
If you're looking for inspiration, consider looking at the IMFDB page for the game 'Bioshock Infinite.' They have a few guns that very much have a 'steampunk' look to them.
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Wow! That was a shock!
My wife and I competed in a 3 Gun event last week end that was no where near as violent as that video game.
No wonder kids get disconnected from reality if they get immersed into that stuff.
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Wow! That was a shock!
My wife and I competed in a 3 Gun event last week end that was no where near as violent as that video game.
No wonder kids get disconnected from reality if they get immersed into that stuff.
Yup. I pointed that out many times over the three or four lustrum.
There are a bunch of folk that continue to claim that such ultraviolent video games "are not a problem".
"Studies Show" etc etc.
unfortunately, psychiatry and psychology "are not exact sciences" and researches regularly "throw out"
results that do not agree with their paper and/or sponsor and/or agenda.
yhs
prof marvel
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If you program yourself with any kind of input, it has to manifest itself in your life, whether propaganda, religious doctrine or whatever.
Garbage in = garbage out.
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Hey PJ,
If you are watching Youtube, try and find It's A Trap!
They have tutorials for items made for short films they have made. Films are pretty good considering.
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I respectfully disagree. I think that most folks are able to differentiate between reality and the entertainment media they consume (be it books, film, television, or video games), but I imagine that's a topic for another thread (and, as Professor Marvel pointed out, studies into the matter should be looked at with a grain of salt).
PJ Hardtack, it might be worth looking at some of the non-firing replicas on River Junction's website, or used products of the same type. I imagine one could buy some of those and add on some accessories for that steam punk look.
Good luck!
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I wish all y'all could see how hard I'm laughing at this thread! I stopped shooting CAS matches for years after being asked to leave a match because my outfit wasn't "in the spirit of the game".
(The guns were originals, the leather was copied from the originals that were used with the guns, and my outfit was matched to a photo of the original owner of the guns--but "not in the spirit".)
;D
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Seems to me the 'steampunk' element was already hidden within at least on popculture western, if we think of that fiction genre as defining technology ahead of it's time. I remember Jim West launching grappling hooks with a .41 rimfire Derringer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ksnf7qMs6po
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We are constantly being reminded that SASS is a "fantasy game" whenever we mention the unreal aspects of it. "Steampunk' is just another level of western "Bling!" with the techno-flavour of the Victorian era ala Jules Verne, et al.
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Food for thought, from the folks who follow the Armalite
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-Steampunk-AR-/5-1303607/?page=1
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On a quick revisit, I suddenly remembered the Chiappa Rhino. The Rhino looks the biz out of the box. Little bit of bling and yer there in an OEM offering.
I personally have been lusting after a Rhino. I have no idea what I intend to do with it yet. I just really want one. It's just wonky enough to be real interesting. Not to mention it's been in the Movies as a "futuristic" gun. Yep. I want one.
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Thank You My Good Story -
I followed your link and, having found these, took the liberty of doing the image thing:
steamy ar's via Monsiuer Story
(https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/steampunk-ar15-495x660.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8va9sW5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/S3iuOsO.jpg)
yhs
prf mvl
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Tangential reading recommendation for those interested in the topic. Imagine 100 years of product refinement on the .303 Lee Metford design, in a stagnant technology base. Plus swash and buckling and such.
https://www.amazon.com/Peshawar-Lancers-S-M-Stirling/dp/0451458737
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On a quick revisit, I suddenly remembered the Chiappa Rhino. The Rhino looks the biz out of the box. Little bit of bling and yer there in an OEM offering.
I personally have been lusting after a Rhino. I have no idea what I intend to do with it yet. I just really want one. It's just wonky enough to be real interesting. Not to mention it's been in the Movies as a "futuristic" gun. Yep. I want one.
Bling outta the box
https://www.hinterlandoutfitters.com/chiappa-rhino-60ds-revolver-340225-dblsing-walnut-grips-frontadj-rear-sight-gold-finish-p-51989.html
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Chiappa_Rhino
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Our Price: $1,037.63 :o
Rather proud of the cool little mutt, aren't they ? ;)
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Oh Yum. 4 Inch barrel, .40 Cal, Satin Hard Chrome & wood grips. I could definitely get real interested. Really really nice toy. I may well have to give a hard look at my Mad Money. Perhaps see if my street corner is unoccupied and skuff up my Tin Cup.
Of course, I have also had a somewhat lustfull desire for a Desert Eagle. .50AE Flavor. Same finish. Satin Hard Chrome. Peddle over to I-95 and hunt Trucks with it.
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I KNOW that you are not going to "go to the I95 and hunt trucks", but that is the sort of remark on a public form that can bite you on the ass.
A lot of off hand remarks made on the social media have come back to haunt gun owners in court. In the event of a judicious shooting of some creep who badly needed it, your postings WILL be checked by prosecutors looking for a way to discredit you as a gun owner.
This applies to the T-shirt slogans we wear and even our vehicle logos. Yes, we have the right to free expression, but ..... we live in a time of unparalleled paranoia over guns.
This is a warning I frequently see from moderators of gun forums I belong to. "Big Brother" is watching .....
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Unfortunate, but true.
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Sadly, our time has passed....the good old days are gone...
They haven't been any "good old day's"... since Hell I can't remember ...Maybe when the Beatles broke up :-\
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Back to the photos ;D
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Primarily posted for Professor Marvel's amusement, but I'll be the Devil's Advocate for anyone who'd be motivated enough to cobble up their own interpretations.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/08/14/the-curtis-rifle-the-first-repeating-bullpup/
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/02/27/firearm-showcase-krutzch-rifle-pumpguns-steampunk-grandaddy-cody-firearms-museum-high-res-pics/
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Not really steampunk. I'd call it "retro-reality"!
These pieces are neat.
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Check out the sci fi Mutant Chronicles. Steam powered rifles, cannons and my favorite was the steam powered aircraft. I enjoyed the movie.
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Primarily posted for Professor Marvel's amusement, but I'll be the Devil's Advocate for anyone who'd be motivated enough to cobble up their own interpretations.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/08/14/the-curtis-rifle-the-first-repeating-bullpup/
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/02/27/firearm-showcase-krutzch-rifle-pumpguns-steampunk-grandaddy-cody-firearms-museum-high-res-pics/
Thank you My Good Story -
The Krutsch is the epitome of a steamy rifle!
BUT i fear the Curtis falls short, looking more like a tube-and wire prototype of a toy squirtgun :-(
yhs
prf marbles
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Check out the sci fi Mutant Chronicles. Steam powered rifles, cannons and my favorite was the steam powered aircraft. I enjoyed the movie.
Good example! Trench warfare with steam-powered projectile weapons, poison gas, alien possession, and swords. . . gotta love it!
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New Steam Punk movie coming out. "Mortal Engines." Trailers look just wacky enough to be good.
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The Winan's Steam cannon. I think this was posted before;.
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/the-winans-steam-gun-1861.76473/
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Googling sure beats playing solitaire 'til dawn..! Found more steampunk reality; Boer war "road train" and WW I US steam tank.
http://stringbagsandrattleboxes.blogspot.com/p/the-landship-project-from-road-train-to.html
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My abjeckt oh poly gies 4 the tred drift. Naught!
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Here is one I put together, for my daughters SP Aviatrix halloween costume
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Major too; Neat!
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That would get the person carrying it arrested in Kanuckistan where the rcmp now warms people not to be on the street with air guns, BB guns or replicas which are now classified as "firearms".
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Thanks Sir Charles :)
PJ.... I can sympathize, but not entirely :( as I'm a citizen , not a subject , still as a citizen we must remain ever diligent,
here below the Medicine line , by the vote and the grace of God, we still have our 2nd Amendment.
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The 2nd Amendment is all that is saving you.
Our government denies it, but even we "subjects" of the Crown have the same rights you do, granted under the Magna Carta and outlined in Blackstones's Commentaries on the Common Law of England.
These inalienable rights came across the Atlantic with the people who populated Canada just as surely as they did with the American pioneers. As it says at the Blaine, Washington border crossing arch - "Children of a Common Mother".
That can be interpreted to mean that "Mom" was a common woman and slept around, hence we have different national "fathers". :-[
But what we share today are people in high places that are "globalist" in their world view rather than "nationalist". You are lucky to have Trump who puts America first.
Our national leader has stated that Canada is the world's first "post national state" with no history or core values worth preserving. That should have caused riots in the streets and a storming of the Bastille on Parliament Hill, but the true characteristics of Canadians are acquiescence and compliance through long years of social engineering.
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Ah Yes. A Narcissist, Sociopath, Megalomaniac, Bigoted Fraud whom wouldn't know truth if it fell on him from 40 Stories. We should be so lucky.
Please .... Oh Please ..... SAVE US FROM OUR LUCK :o
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You could have had Hilary .... and her pack of gun loving Dems ..... ::)
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Afraid I voted against her not for him. Poor pickins in 2016.
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Gentlepersons-
instead of politics, let us wish each other "happy holidays" and return to the steampunkish topic :-)
since i have a quantity of parts, i have slowly begun a remington project inspired by Tinker.
i never understood "why" the remmington has that long nose on the frame, so I took a beater frame and cut it off
and re-shaped the front of the frame a tish. Since I plan for this to be a snubby with a barrel of perhaps 3" or less,
I am pondering the possibility of filling in the rammer hole as well. I am also planning on making this one a little
"steamy" so any ideas you may offer are welcome.
photos will follow, hopefully, after I get done running around.....
yhs
prof marvel
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Yay Prof,
We need pics, I work better visually. I am thinking at the very least, a gear inlay in the grip. Possibly make it part of a airship captain's gear.
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Ooooooooooo !!! We likes Air Ships we do. Bit of swell kit that Remington could be. Even tho I daren't like Remingtons.
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After being involved in CAS since around 1989 and having been really into good looking duds I've finally gotten to the point that I don't care what folks wear to the matches. Steam Punk? OK, B Western, Sure. Anything is fine. I just wish I could ditch all that and wear my normal jeans, Redwing chukkas, work shirt, and ball cap.
Hasn't the costuming issue has gotten sorta tiresome?
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You know that you’re into cas too much when your good clothes are your cowboy clothes.
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After being involved in CAS since around 1989 and having been really into good looking duds I've finally gotten to the point that I don't care what folks wear to the matches. Steam Punk? OK, B Western, Sure. Anything is fine. I just wish I could ditch all that and wear my normal jeans, Redwing chukkas, work shirt, and ball cap.
Hasn't the costuming issue has gotten sorta tiresome?
No....
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No....
I agree with Major2 - clothing style is a huge part of the fun of the game.
However, my everyday clothing includes vest, boots, southwest style jewelry, old-timey style shirts and a decorated fedora,
so I am probably not exactly a "mainstream" sort of dresser anyway.
On the occasions when we go out "fancy", I usually include either a frockcoat or greatcoat and a victoreana style dress hat...
photos of the parts & frame forthcoming, the electronical telegraphy devices are acting up... :-(
yhs
prof lost his marbles
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Hey Professor,
I mocked up a cartridge box for a steam punk cap and ball carbine, but have yet to make it. It is for my carbine back a page or two. Feel free to use for your project.
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Ah Mogorilla, you are too kind! That it a fantastic label for a line of paper cartridges!
Thank you most kindly!
Yhs
Prof mvl
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Ah Hey Mogo .... ;D
Would you be terribly upset were I also to use your template for some Cartridge Box Labels ?? ::)
With a couple of word changes, that Label would be perfect for the C45S cartridges I shoot in my Henry Trapper. Just flat super FUN!!
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I would be overjoyed if it were spread and updated as needed for the user. If I post it, it is up for grabs. I made this when my carbine was in the design infancy stages, but it and the label came to mind after we did a Firefly marathon here at work. Small group of young'uns, had never heard of Serenity, Firefly nor Browncoats, so another group of nerds educated them at lunch for a couple of weeks. During that, I came up with Reynold's Renowned Revolving Rifle. (love iteration). I still want to tweek the carbine and while I am a lousy writer, I even had an outline for an alternate Cthulu history, where the Alamo did not fall and Texas was the last bastion of hope. The rifle and airship (made from the body of a thunderbird) feature prominently.
Then I am pretty sure the medication kicked in and I went back to work.
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Hey Major and Coffin,
What do you think of this label.
Mo
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Absolutely OUTSTANDING!! He Likes it ..... He Likes it ...... A LOT!!
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BINGO
thank you printing some now
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Gentlemen, I LOVE the cartridge boxes and am thoroughly enjoying this thread. Sounds like it would be perfect for campaigning a C96 Mauser, wouldn't it?
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Since the subject has resurfaced ..
I need to fabricate another Steam Punk pistol , for another theme party my daughter will attend.
I still have the one shown a page or two back. My thoughts are leaning toward a C96 or Luger though I not set in concrete on the idea.
So far just bright color plastic junk.
Sadly there just to few cool metal guns
However I did see this one :-\
good surface area for gears etc. and it resembles a 1917 Colt
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Alas, any C96s out there that are decent replicas are usually snatched up by Star Wars fans to make Han's blaster. This actually caused the loss of some shootable real C96s in the 90s and early 2000s as people bought serviceable pistols and converted them to props. )-;
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That makes me think, I would not "dress up" my Bolo C96, but I do have a plastic BB shooting version of a Broomie that would be just the ticket! Got it for less than $5 on fleabay a while back.
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I'm kinda stuck wondering how to "Steampunk" my outfit without going deep into the genre. Or is that not the way to do it?
I'm not interested in gussying up my guns with gears, gongs, etc., but my basic clothing. I'm already wearing 'Steampunk' welding googles on my hat.
I don't want to clutter up my body with things that might catch on props or guns.
What are some of you doing ..... ?
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PJ, what about a leather cuff on your jacket sleeves or a safari type jacket?
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Maybe check out Youtube (specifically ItsatrapUK). They do some steampunk tutorial builds. There is a build out there for a pith helmet which flips open to hold a cup of tea. Now that is steampunk. I have seen some phone cover builds and similar items. My wife will tell you, like Pinterest, Youtube is not my friend and my time with it should be limited.
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Who Boy. Yepper. I find "You Tube" to be like Alice and the Rabbit Hole. I've been known to wander around for hours.
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Found this Webley ?rifle???
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;D THAT BE TOO KOOL FER SKULE ;D
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In Great Britain they have to make real-life steampunk guns to comply with the gunlaws, ref. "The Matchmaster Shroud" on the Remington New Model Army halfway down this homepage:
http://www.westlakeengineering.com/our-history/
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Interesting read re: Brit handgun laws. Canada has similar nonsensical laws and we anticipate more.
In the meantime, both Canada and the UK continue to be flooded with illegal guns and "recommissioned" guns.
Logic, reason and common sense do not apply in discussion with the anti-gunners. The ultimate goal is civil disarmament, one gun, one action type, one calibre, one barrel length at a time.
If the US gets a Democrat in the Whitehouse, you can expect such stupidity to happen across the country.
Support the 2nd Amendment! Once it's gone, the rest of your Constitution will follow.
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PJ. May should stick to what you know. The CRIMINAL we currently have in the White House is doing this county no favors.
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How about refuting my comment as opposed to a personal attack, the resort of an empty arsenal for rebuttal?
I know that Trump is easing up on the ITAR regs which means we'll be able to import brass and other items which are currently banned from export, done under the Obama administration.
If you think that US gun owners would have been better off with Shrillary in the Whitehouse or that ranting witch Nancy Pelosi, then I am at a loss for words .... ::)
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Ah, there's the rub PJ. All to many rest their case on guns and the Second Amendment. Unfortunately there are many many other issues of equal if not more importance.
However, my apology for a more personal swipe. This is absolutely the WRONG forum for Politics. I was always scolded that polite conversation was no place for Religion, Politics or Sex ::)
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Point taken. No offence intended, I'm sure, and none taken. :)
It's just that I'm historically aware that in countries and societies where only the Army and police have guns, things go to hell in a hand basket.