Sir Charles thank for you comments, I think the Brill is splendid....
I've looked a the El Paso 'Austin" holster but was informed it 6-8 months wait
I moved on
I email Rick Bachman but he has not responded ...
The stubby Mex holster has no issue with lifting out of the loops ( the EMP is not that snug, hence the strap )
Its a neat holster, and OK for open carry , on a trail perhaps . Still it is not quite what I'm after....
The Brill could fit the bill or the 1930 Austin , I still would want the snap strap
I may recontract El Paso and skip the the carving and see what the time frame might be
I know I do not want any of the so call OWB belt slide styles