New System for Precision Pistol at Grand Muster

[Drydock]

I'll try this:  Lets say we're both lousy shots. (well, I know I am)  So of the three racks, you shoot 3 6" and 3 5".  Total score of 6.  But I shoot 3 6", 2 5" and 1 4".  I just beat you, we both shot 6, but I got a smaller target in there than you did.  You could say you're taking the average size of the targets knocked down. Thats the 1st tiebreaker.  I suspect with 15 possible targets it may be the only one needed.  By resetting every 5 rounds he's increasing the variation in target sizes engaged over 15 rounds. 

It's simpler than it sounds.  Really.

[Johnson Barr]

So... there is no 'value' given to each plate size? All plates have the same value and it's strictly the number of plates per five shot run that comprise the final score of total knocked down plates regardless of size? Baring a total plate knock down number tie, the greatest number of smaller diameter plates would win? And how about the dreaded 'Jerry' stopwatch? Maybe it could be the 'sixth' shot tie-breaker......    

[Drydock]

No, you somehow read that backwards. Most plates win, but in the event of a tie smaller targets have greater value.  Take the total cumulative diameter of targets knocked down divided by the the number of targets knocked down.  Smaller number wins.  Time would probably only enter into it should multiple people down all targets. 

Your score: 33"/6 plates = 5.5

my score: 32"/6 plates = 5.33

Though math would probably not enter into it.  You just look at the score sheet, Targets are crossed off left to right.  The further right you are, the better your score.

[Johnson Barr]

Alright then; plates are engaged left to right; large to small. Each plate must fall before proceeding to the next smaller plate. Correct?

After discharging 5 rounds the plate rack is reset regardless if any plates have been knocked down. Correct?

Scoring is based on total number of knocked down plates as per plate size for 3 five shot runs. Correct?

Uh, maybe I have missed something else (4th grade math thing), why would you divide the scores by 6?


Some different from the Precision Rifle stage that requires striking each target 3 times before moving to the next target for 3 hits and then to the last target for 3 hits. Total rounds allowed for the stage 15. Perfect score 9 for 9. Winner relative to overall elapsed shooting time. 

[Drydock]

You can engage the targets in any order for each 5 shots.  You do not have to knock one down to go to the next. I divided by 6 because in the above example we each knocked down 6 total targets. 

[Johnson Barr]

 Then the value of each target is its diameter expressed in inches.

 By not engaging targets in any particular order; knocked down plates cumulative value as per inch diameter of each plate diameter; then that value will be divided by the total number of knocked down plates.

 0 plates for 15 shots divided by 0" plates diameter knocked down equals a score of 0.    The lowest number wins. 

[Drydock]

Most plates wins
1st tiebreaker is relative plate diameter
2nd tiebreaker is time

That is as simple as I can make it.

[Niederlander]

You always start with the biggest plate and work your way across.  You don't go to the next one until the bigger one is down.  After testing it a few times, I'm going to say ten to twelve is going to be a pretty good score.

[Johnson Barr]

I'll go with the birthday boy; left to right, large to small and hope for the best. 

[ira scott]

I'll go with the birthday boy; left to right, large to small and hope for the best. 

Yup, Dale's Toy, Dale's Rules!   Should be "Entertaining".

B.N. Scotty

[Abilene]

Most plates wins
1st tiebreaker is relative plate diameter
2nd tiebreaker is time

That is as simple as I can make it.

Most plates wins
tiebreaker is time

that is simpler 

And after all, one guy shooting the same number of targets as another but with one target a little smaller could be done by shooting so slowly that it shouldn't count.

And while I would assume writing down the times for each 5 shots, you could also just let the clock run and have the shooter reset the rack himself, unless it is pretty heavy.

[Hair Trigger Jim]

If you let the clock run, then you'd be timing reloads, which isn't the point of this stage.  So I think you have to time each 5 shots separately.

[Abilene]

If you let the clock run, then you'd be timing reloads, which isn't the point of this stage.  So I think you have to time each 5 shots separately.

Oh yeah, forget that.

[1961MJS]

Hi
Sooooo for scoring, we have a mark for each 5 plate setup i.e. 3 sets with total time because the timer just starts and stops. 
The shooter shoots at each plate from Left to Right,
timer stops,
shooter reloads,
timer starts,
shooter shoots at each plate from left to right,
timer stops,
shooter reloads,
shooter shoots at each plate from left to right
scorer writes down the total time and has a list of all of the targets down in order / by size.

Am I close?   
Does that all work with the timers we have?
Schroeder

[Niederlander]

You've got it.  It's MUCH simpler than it sounds.  Largest number of plates down wins.  If two (or more) people have the same number of plates, the first tie breaker is which one got the smallest plate(s).  For instance, if two people got twelve plates, with one getting four plates each rack, and one got five, four, and three, the one that got the smallest plate wins.  If they're tied there, the second tie breaker is total shooting time.  You won't reload on the clock, and the targets are re-set while the shooter reloads.  Having run through it several times, I think the average will be in the seven to ten range.  That four inch plate seems REALLY small!  It has a LOT more spectator appeal, as you can see how people are doing as they shoot.

[Drydock]

Belay it Swabs!  We're doing it the way Dale wants.  Argification afterward.

[Hair Trigger Jim]

So what happens if plates are shot out of order?  Suppose the shooter is aiming at plate 1 but hits plate 2?  I suppose it's a miss and he now loses the opportunity to shoot at plate 2 for that round?

[Niederlander]

Just go back to plate 1 and shoot it.  People sometimes jerk a shot and hit the X ring.  If it happens twice you're probably trying to do it, and we'll deal with that.

[Hair Trigger Jim]

I'm assuming these are falling plates.  Wouldn't plate 2 now be fallen and unavailable to shoot at once plate 1 has been successfully shot (after accidentally hitting plate 2)?

[ira scott]

Belay it Swabs!  We're doing it the way Dale wants.  Argification afterward.

In other words, discussion over.

B.N. Scotty