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CAS TOPICS => Gunsmithing => Topic started by: medic15al on January 13, 2020, 11:29:47 PM
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Hi!
I've read that when disassembling a Uberti Cattleman that there is a spring and pin that's not on a Colt SAA, But when I took the gripframe off I did not find one. It is A Cimarron Old Model P Charcoal Blue if that helps.
There isnt an extra hole there I can see. Am I missing it somehow?
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Newer Uberti & Pietta have a coil spring hand like Ruger has.... this spring is held in with a tiny screw left side vertical of the frame by the hammer.
Taking the grip frame will reveal the screw retainer.
Older Uberti, Pietta , Dakota's , Jager's ETC as well as SSA's had the flat spring hand no screw will be present.
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In between the time Uberti went from the standard leaf spring on the hand to the separate hole in the backstrap for a spring and plunger, they made a few that used a coil spring and plunger inside a hollow backstrap screw on the left side. This is not an ideal way to do it since the plunger is not riding directly in the center of the hand, but it can work (I have one older Cimarron that has this type hand spring and it works fine on mine).
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Ah OK Thanks!
I believe it is the leaf spring as there isnt anything like those y'all mentioned. I purchased the revolver back in 2013 or 14 and it came fast from the distributer so no telling how long ago it was made. Want another one but won't tolerate a 3 clicker or moving pin.
Guys I really appreciate the time you took for the info! :)
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Just to be sure, since if your gun was made in the last 20 years it should have the coil hand spring, you would primarily be looking for a tiny setscrew, not a hole, above the left backstrap screw hole. Does the s/n start with a P?
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Yes sir, It does start with P followed by 5 digits. Not at home right now and don't have the gun in front of me.
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Born Date will be coded and looks something like this [CL] or [CM] for 2013 or 2014
May be stamped on the left of the frame below the cylinder or under the barrel near the frame
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Just looked, it is CL Found it above the S/N
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CL = 2013
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Dang, it doesn't seem that long ago... Time flies when you get older...
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Yes sir, It does start with P followed by 5 digits. Not at home right now and don't have the gun in front of me.
Abilene? I have an old model SAA made by Uberti for Cimarron. There is no sign of a set screw above the left screw hole. The date code is CN for 2015 and serial no. starts with a P. Are the old models still using the hand leaf spring? I have not disassembled it yet so hope tp do it tomorrow.
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Abilene? I have an old model SAA made by Uberti for Cimarron. There is no sign of a set screw above the left screw hole. The date code is CN for 2015 and serial no. starts with a P. Are the old models still using the hand leaf spring? I have not disassembled it yet so hope tp do it tomorrow.
Well, that perplexes me, as does Medic15al's comments. The Model P's, both pre-war and Old Model should have had the coil hand spring for near 20 years now. Let us know what you find.
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Just to help clarify, I'm attaching a photo of my 2016 Uberti Model P showing the location of the hand spring retaining screw.
Hopefully that helps.
CC Griff
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Just to help clarify, I'm attaching a photo of my 2016 Uberti Model P showing the location of the hand spring retaining screw.
Hopefully that helps.
CC Griff. I found the 2015 Old Model coil and plunger type hand spring in the same position as in Coal Creek?s picture. The bolt/trigger spring is the old type flat spring. I will probably order up a
coil type to replace the flat spring.
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Are the Cimarron 7th Cavalry SAA using the old type hand spring? I have been thinking about getting one. Any difference between the Uberti and Pietta 7th Cavalry?s?
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To further clarify, the gun in my photo is an old model with the screw to retain the cylinder base pin (this is a Cimarron/Uberti 7th Cavalry model). It also has a flat trigger/bolt spring; I'm not sure that they've ever been equipped with wire springs from the factory.
CC Griff
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I believe the "old model" retains the flat handspring, the rest of the Cattleman series has the coil and plunger handspring. I install a slightly larger "spring and pushrod " in place of . . . including the ROA's.
My El Patron Comp came with wire springs from factory (custom tuning) instead of the standard flat trig/bolt spring.
Treebeard, who will you order a coil trig and bolt spring from? Interesting . . . as far as I'm aware of, I'm the only one supplying coils for triggers and bolts . . .
Mike
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I believe the "old model" retains the flat handspring, the rest of the Cattleman series has the coil and plunger handspring.
I'm afraid that I get confused sometimes by the terminology. The gun in my photo above, which has a coil hand spring and plunger, is a Uberti 7th Cavalry model with the screw through the frame to retain the cylinder base pin. Does that not make it an "old model"?
CC Griff
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I'm afraid that I get confused sometimes by the terminology. The gun in my photo above, which has a coil hand spring and plunger, is a Uberti 7th Cavalry model with the screw through the frame to retain the cylinder base pin. Does that not make it an "old model"?
CC Griff
. Yes it does define an ?old model? in my opinion as that is a critical deference between that and the push button release on the the last type SAA?s. A purist would also want the flat hand spring
Despite the advantages of the coil type hand spring.
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That photo does indeed help! Mine does not have the screw as shown.
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Regarding Uberti Cattlemen in general, or Cimarron Model P in particular since I'm most familiar with that importer. Old Model just means "BP Frame" with the screw in front of the frame retaining the base pin and the bullseye ejector head. Also V-notch rear sight and tapered front. The internals are the same on Pre-War and Old-Model (all have the coil hand spring, for about 20 years). When you look at some of Cimarron ads, and they mention the "Cowboy Comp" action, they are talking about the coil hand spring. Used to be a Cimarron exclusive for a number of years until Uberti standardized on it.
As for the Pietta vs. Uberti 7th Cavalry, I'm not positive right now since I haven't seen a Pietta model in a couple years, so they might have changed, but the Piettas had less of the markings. At first there was no Company letter, no matching s/n on triggeruard and butt, nor "v" mark on cylinder, etc. They did have the grip cartouche and U.S. marked on frame. I think since then I saw online where someone had one that had some of the markings added. Also, I seem to recall Pietta BP frame pistols having the squared off sights, but not sure if that is still the case either.
Regarding bolt/trigger springs, most Model P's and standard Cattlemen have the flat spring. Some Uberti competition models such as El Patron mentioned, I have no idea, but wouldn't doubt a wire spring (the Evil Roy Model P's have a flat trigger/bolt spring). The stainless Model P's do have a wire trigger/bolt spring. At one time I also saw some wire springs in the small frame Lightning/Model P Jr. guns, but they went back to flat.
So, about Medic15al's missing coil spring, I don't know. Possible theory: Since the Cimarron Old Model P is currently the only version of Uberti's cattleman with the standard 4-click hammer, perhaps they are using up some old frames they had in stock to make those guns? But they would be REALLY OLD frames, so I really have no idea. And there is no difference in the frames between the 4-click hammer and the Cattleman II with the telescoping firing pin, so I don't know why they'd need to use old frames. A mystery.
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Regarding Uberti Cattlemen in general, or Cimarron Model P in particular since I'm most familiar with that importer. Old Model just means "BP Frame" with the screw in front of the frame retaining the base pin and the bullseye ejector head. Also V-notch rear sight and tapered front. The internals are the same on Pre-War and Old-Model (all have the coil hand spring, for about 20 years). When you look at some of Cimarron ads, and they mention the "Cowboy Comp" action, they are talking about the coil hand spring. Used to be a Cimarron exclusive for a number of years until Uberti standardized on it.
As for the Pietta vs. Uberti 7th Cavalry, I'm not positive right now since I haven't seen a Pietta model in a couple years, so they might have changed, but the Piettas had less of the markings. At first there was no Company letter, no matching s/n on triggeruard and butt, nor "v" mark on cylinder, etc. They did have the grip cartouche and U.S. marked on frame. I think since then I saw online where someone had one that had some of the markings added. Also, I seem to recall Pietta BP frame pistols having the squared off sights, but not sure if that is still the case either.
Regarding bolt/trigger springs, most Model P's and standard Cattlemen have the flat spring. Some Uberti competition models such as El Patron mentioned, I have no idea, but wouldn't doubt a wire spring (the Evil Roy Model P's have a flat trigger/bolt spring). The stainless Model P's do have a wire trigger/bolt spring. At one time I also saw some wire springs in the small frame Lightning/Model P Jr. guns, but they went back to flat.
So, about Medic15al's missing coil spring, I don't know. Possible theory: Since the Cimarron Old Model P is currently the only version of Uberti's cattleman with the standard 4-click hammer, perhaps they are using up some old frames they had in stock to make those guns? But they would be REALLY OLD frames, so I really have no idea. And there is no difference in the frames between the 4-click hammer and the Cattleman II with the telescoping firing pin, so I don't know why they'd need to use old frames. A mystery.
Abilene, I surely didn't mean to raise such a ruckus. I'm enjoyin the 4 click hammers as I enjoy the historical concept of them. I'm close to getting a Pietta "Old Model" as well, the Heritage one I have is one of the dreaded 3 click transfer bar guns. It feels a little better in my hands and I also like the cylinder bevels on the front.
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No ruckus, I'm just really curious now.
By the way, on a related topic, about ten years ago plus/minus, I saw a couple of '71/72 Opentops new from Uberti with a hole in the frame for a coil hand spring. They did not have a coil spring, just the hole. We thought maybe Uberti was going to start making the OT's and conversions that way, but they did not.
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I have a Pietta Frontier Stainless 7.5" barrel I bought last year. It has a cool hand spring but no set screw. Like with Ruger the spring just sticks out of the hole. You have to be careful not to kink it when putting back on the grip frame back strap. One time, that little spring shot out across the room. Haven't found it yet. I keep a couple in stock now.