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Offline Two Bit Charlie

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AA Winchester Shells
« on: April 26, 2021, 12:54:07 PM »
I only use Winchester AA shells for both SASS and NCOWS. I recently acquired some gray AA shells. Are they any different then the red AA Shells? Can I reload them the same as the red AA shells? Can I mix them in with the red AA shells with out a problem?

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Re: AA Winchester Shells
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2021, 06:33:59 PM »
They are the same. AAs come in several colours; The most common is red, but grey is next. I usually select differing colours for different loads, i.e. Red for 7/8 or 1 oz. practise & competition, and Grey for 1 1/8 oz. handicap. I had some red with very low brass heads. I used some of these for #9 shot for some small Sporting Clay targets. Once I found a box or two of dark red which I loaded up 1 1/4 oz of #6 for field use. I think they made some up in black?
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Re: AA Winchester Shells
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2021, 10:50:16 AM »
Thanks for the info Sir Charles. I may keep the grays for black powder.

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Re: AA Winchester Shells
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2021, 10:32:22 PM »
I find that Remington shells load similarly to the AAs, especially with BP. I settled on the Remington Nitro 27s for BP. The gold colour simulated brass hulls. Then I bought some real brass hulls.
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Re: AA Winchester Shells
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2021, 08:57:55 AM »

I also have found that both the AA'S and the STS hulls work just fine with black powder. Maybe it is just me but it seems the Remington's hold up a bit better.

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Re: AA Winchester Shells
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2021, 10:25:11 AM »
I also found that STS shells (And other RP shells) slip out easier with the jerk-eject move. At least with the Baikal hammergun I used for years.
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Re: AA Winchester Shells
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2021, 09:42:52 AM »

I also have found that both the AA'S and the STS hulls work just fine with black powder. Maybe it is just me but it seems the Remington's hold up a bit better.

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Re: AA Winchester Shells
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2021, 09:48:31 AM »
The WW one piece hulls were much better than the thinner ones they use today. They are thicker as they go toward the brass base and resist wrinkling if you do the final crimp too hard. Hold up better to multiple reloadings too.
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Re: AA Winchester Shells
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2021, 08:18:35 AM »

 :) The Fire  ;)

I have found my Brass Colour shotgun hulls hold up very well to multiple reloadings.  Especially with Black Powder and Subs.  Oh, WAIT!!  My Brass Colourd hulls are actually . . . . ALL BRASS.  No Wrinkling or Crinkling at all (unless some hamhock steps on 'em).  Oh Schucks . . . .

This contribution holds no real additional information for the OP at all.  Completely off the cuff.  Entirely immaterial.  Should one and all choose to ignore this missive I wouldn't be at a all insulted.  In fact, I'd probably ignore it myself.  If, However, your reading this part . . . IT'S TOO LATE!!  Your already HERE (Snicker snicker snort)

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Re: AA Winchester Shells
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2021, 08:47:18 AM »
Mr. Coffinmaker, don’t know, I might could wrinkle them. Snicker, snort. But seriously, do they work with that cursed smokeless stuff that doesn’t foul yer firearm and eat them up with sulfer or give away yer position to the enemy? Or stink up the range or make your eyes and throat burn or obscure the desperados that need to be shot?  Snicker, snort. They would look pretty cool to use with my assortment of trench guns.  In fact I’m going to shoot my M12 riot Saturday.
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Re: AA Winchester Shells
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2021, 07:04:49 PM »
 :)  Biltmore Edderd  ;)

Actually, I have found, before I became enlightened, that nasty fad heathen smokeless stuff fouls too.  And, It's harder to clean than BP or, especially Subs.  It doesn't give your position to the enemy, it provides an instant smoke screen to enable one to flank those basty nasterds (Snicker).  When them ignorant desperados pop up trying to see thrush smoke, just pick 'em right off (Snicker Snort).

Some Lustrum (several in fact) Us Gov. actually loaded and issued All Brass hulls for the trench guns.  Unfortunately, as they weren't intended for reloading, they (the Us Gov.) rolled the case mouth to facilitate function in their (Us Gov's) Trombone guns.  They fed slicker'n'snot too.  Just a shame they rolled the case mouth.  Makes em a real PITA to reload.

I understand there are those (not me) who have in fact worked up acceptable smokeless loads for the All Brass hulls.  Magtech says not recommended for smokeless.  I think that is because the current MagTech hulls are quite similar in construction to the old "Balloon Head" pistol cartridges and the pressure spikes are quite different.  Couple of guys who contribute here have indicated they load smokeless in their MagTech hulls.  Dunno ???

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PSS:  I really really like your Trench Guns two (also) (Snicker Snicker giggle)   

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Re: AA Winchester Shells
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2021, 01:18:40 PM »
Life is getting tougher and tougher for reloaders.  The ONLY shells still made with brass bases are Remington STS/Nitros and Winchester AAs.  The red and grey AAs are the same except for the die used in the plastic.  HOWEVER, a few months ago Winchester announced a new premium AA that is black with a nickle plated base.  That base is steel.  So the statement that AAs are brass now has to be qualified.  Every round manfactured everywhere in the world is now steel.  Some may be nickle plated, some brass plated but they are all steel.  It will be interesting to see how long Remington and Winchester continue making some brass based hulls.  What I use and a lot of people locally use for BP are Remington Gun Clubs.  They are extruded like an STS but have a steel base.  The old wive's tale about ribbed hulls sticking in chambers is mostly BS.  I run the Gun Clubs through a Mec Super Sizer before loading them with BP.  Fire them once and throw them away.  They work flawlessly.  Lots of other local shooters have the same experience.  NOW some guns don't like some shells.  No rhyme or reason some just won't shuck with a certain brand of shell.  But for the most part the Gun Clubs work extremely well once the steel bases are run through the Super Sizer.

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Re: AA Winchester Shells
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2021, 03:33:29 PM »
I have loaded the Gun Club shells as many a 4 times just to see how they hold up. The plastic looks pretty nasty but they still shuck and shoot just fine.
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