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Morning y'all.
Coffee and tea are hot.

'Tis 31 and overcast. "Cloudy. A chance of light rain in the morning  then light rain in the afternoon. Patchy fog. Highs in the middle 40s. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent."

The Powder Room - CAS reloading / SR 4759 ??
« Last post by Slamfire on Today at 07:30:32 AM »
 A friend gifted me w/ a can (1#) of SR 4759, i load for 44-40 & 40-60 wcf. w/ 215+gn. cast in both, anyone got any loads worked up for this powder, as it's new to me ( i know it been discontinued).

  coffee's ready,  Hootmix.
The Barracks / Re: P 37 Webley Holster
« Last post by smoke on Today at 07:27:51 AM »

Not intending to blow your mind … but:

a) another terminology "correction": strictly speaking, a holster was actually referred to in British/Commonwealth military terminology as a "pistol case" … 

b) the standard-issue pistol of the Canadian military during WWII was actually the Smith & Wesson Military & Police Model revolver, chambered for the .38 S&W cartridge (and thus for the .British .380 Service Revolver cartridge which was a military version of the .38 S&W.)  Canada acquired in excess of 118,000 such S&W revolvers, and only about 3,500 of the standard UK-issue .380 No. 2 Enfield revolver (starting in 1937, for issue to the Royal Canadian Air Force) but there were no official Canadian acquisitions of .380 Webley revolvers (which were only secondary military issue in the UK … 
Mind you, lots of Canadian-made web equipment was sent to help equip the UK forces … so your Canadian-made pistol case is actually quite suitable for your Webley …

As you presumably know, like many military carriage systems, P'37 Web Equipment consisted of various component pieces which could be assembled in a variety of ways. 

Once my vision returns to some semblance of order following the cataract surgery I've recently undergone, and I then get some new glasses so I can actually see clearly again and can locate things without so much squinting and peering, I should be able to provide you with a PDF file of the complete original Pattern 1937 Web Equipment Manual I have, if you wish. (Can't seem to lay my hands on it right now.  It is a 1940 Canadian reprinting of the British 1939 manual.)

In the meantime, here are a few images from it that I have in a file on my computer …

Firstly, the cover page and Figure 9 illustrating the "Set for Officers, Certain W.Os. and N.C.Os." being worn -

The relevant pages itemizing the various standard "sets" of P37 equipment, with highlighting for the sets which incorporated a pistol case/holster -

Figure 8, showing the "Set for Officers, Certain W.Os. and N.C.Os." laid out, assembled, (back of waistbelt facing up) -

Figures 10 and 11, "Set for Personnel Armed With Pistol Only" -

Figure 20, showing the early "Pistol Case with Cartridge Loops" - otherwise termed the "Pistol Case, Royal Armoured Corps" - being worn -

I don't seem to have a scan of Figure 21 saved … which I presume is a similar "assembled layout seen from the back", like the others above. 

As you might surmise, this was the early version of the pistol case with cartridge loops you posted a photo of, above.  The theory was that the extreme drop of the holster (which was strapped to the leg) would minimize hangups of the holstered pistol for personnel exiting confined armoured vehicle hatches … but the low-slung position was not all that convenient … and the pistol could still get hung up on the edge of the hatch … but then it was way down there on the leg, making it even more difficult to clear the hangup. Not long into the war, the design was altered to the much shorter drop style you show, with the leg strap eliminated … and most of the original long ones got altered to the much shorter type … with the result that unaltered long ones are relatively rare.

My collection of P'37 Equipment includes an unissued Canadian-made version of the long style -

M.S.&U. and Z.L.&T. both made the long drop Tanker.  I got lucky on ebay a few years back and got a minty M.S.&U. for about $80 shipped.  Got one for myself and buddy who collect UK.  I still need the Z.L.&T.

I sent you a pm about that PDF.
Spencer Shooting Society / Re: spencer history?
« Last post by Two Flints on Today at 07:19:44 AM »

I sent you a PM to email me your serial #.

I need a photo of your Spencer, please post a few. 

Check under the wooden forearm, on the underside of the barrel you will find the serial # . . . make sure it is the same as the serial # at the top of the receiver. Need a photo of the top of the receiver that shows all markings, lettering and numbers.

Two Flints
The Barracks / Re: P 37 Webley Holster
« Last post by smoke on Today at 06:45:38 AM »
There was some late WW2 P37 webbing that used the blackened fittings....allegedly.  I have an absurd collection of Canadian/UK p37 gear and so far I have not found a 44/45 dated piece that has blackened fittings.

FYI for a DD display it would be brass press studs on the pouches not the QD ones.

Major2, I still have that uniform I need to send you for the museum. 
The Barracks / Re: November Precision Pistol Match
« Last post by Niederlander on Today at 04:55:13 AM »
Yep, got yours, sir!
The Barracks / Re: November Precision Pistol Match
« Last post by Whiskey Double on Today at 04:33:15 AM »
You should have a EEM and a Main Match Target from me.
The Barracks / Re: Red Stag and a Trapdoor (Capandball)
« Last post by Whiskey Double on Today at 04:32:08 AM »
 I've taken a couple deer with my 1873 trapdoor and with my Marlin 1881 ( made in 1883 ). Using them made deer hunting fun again for me.

The Leather Shop / Re: Wild Bunch Belt
« Last post by Marshal Will Wingam on Yesterday at 11:06:10 PM »
Thanks, Rod. It's a pretty cool design. I feel fortunate that I found the original one all those years ago. It was buried in a box of stuff in the shop at the ranch. Over the years I've probably made a half a dozen of them.
The Leather Shop / Re: Wild Bunch Belt
« Last post by Ten Wolves Fiveshooter on Yesterday at 09:34:00 PM »
Excellent design Will, and it looks great, should be strong enough to handle about anything… :D ;D
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