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Good news is I scored a 5in Victory Model of gunbroker for a not too ridiculous price, the initial Bad News is it has not arrived yet, may tomorrow being a C&R and having the proper C&R ffl it will be shipped to my house.  The second Bad News is it is in .38 S&W and not .38 Special, I stopped $5 short on the .38 Special 4 inch oh well.  The final good news is I have all that is required to load .38 S&W and actually have 80 plus loaded to close to .38/200.  Will need another trip to range to verify velocities and shooting on paper for point of aim vs point of impact out of my Mark IV and Colt Police Positive, the new to me Victory Model will be added incentive to make a trip to the range.  Pics and range report will follow maybe as early as next week.
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Re: Victory Model Good News Bad News Bad News Good news
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2023, 06:44:46 PM »
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Re: Victory Model Good News Bad News Bad News Good news
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2023, 05:17:13 AM »
Congrats!
Nothing wrong with the .38-200 , and the Victory Smith will stand up to .38 spcl type loads just fine.
In that caliber and bullet, i prefer soft lead. works a treat in my original .38 webley.

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Re: Victory Model Good News Bad News Bad News Good news
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2023, 11:29:57 AM »
If it is chambered for .38 S&W, but configured as a “Victory Model” (i.e. with the “wartime finish” uusually associated with such revolvers) then it is very likely one of the revolvers made for Canada or the UK, which were chambered for the British .380 service revolver cartridge (a militarized version of the .38 S&W).  Canada began acquiring them in 1939 (the S&W was in fact our primary-issue military handgun in WWIi) firstly in full commercial finish with different barrel lengths, but as the war progressed, the “Victory Model” types of finish and 5-inch barrel became standard.  Don’t know how many the British acquired (their standard service revolver was the .380 No. 2 Enfield, of course, with .380 Webley revolvers as substitute standard) but according to “Canadian Military Handguns, 1855-1985” Canada acquired over 118,000 .38  S&W revolvers. 

My example is one of the early commercial quality “Military & Police Model” revolvers with longer barrel …
Rattlesnake Jack Robson, Scout, Rocky Mountain Rangers, North West Canada, 1885
Major John M. Robson, Royal Scots of Canada, 1883-1901
Sgt. John Robson, Queen's Own Rifles of Canada, 1885
Bvt. Col, Commanding International Dept. and Div.  of Canada, Grand Army of the Frontier

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Re: Victory Model Good News Bad News Bad News Good news
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2023, 02:59:12 PM »
Here it is.  Looks pretty good minor rust on hammer spur, bore is shiny. Trigger seems pretty good.  Serial number on butt by swivel and cylinder match.  Serial on frame under crane is different.  Trigger pretty smooth, lock up pretty good as well.  Cannot wait to get to the range and see how it shoots and how velocities of my 38/200 load stack up against the Mark IV Webley and the Police Positive 4 incher
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The number under the crane is an assembly number.  Only Colt put the serial number there.
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I like it, Cpt.

I have 38S&W Colt Police Positive made in 1919 and an Enfield 1943 War Finish also in 38S&W.
 On my bucket list is Victory Model, in 38S&W or Special. circa 1941-5
 I did bid on a Australian issue 38S&W FTR with re-imported marks (VEGA SAC CA.)   ::) , but it got outside my willing price cap. 

 S&W Military & Police made in 1946 in 38 Special.

 
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Your smith is really nice, as is your police positive mine was not quite as well taken care of.  My war finish Webley Mk IV is almost pristine. 
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The Colt was the duty revolver of Bill Stackhouse Cincinnati PD Circa 1930-1
I bought from the Kissimmee Police Chaplin's collation w/ Stackhouse's duty holster and history.

The Smith was an heirloom, Left to me by a widow, who is a Besty of my Wife.
 I tracked down the SN# and found it was made in Oct. or 46.

The Enfield came out of Canada, by way of Liberty Tree Traders.   
 Bore & lockup are fine, the finish is wearing, it saw service. 
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Here is another with some know history...
 Several years ago, my late friend and I would attend the January Gun Show in Melbourne.
 Probably only readily good show in Florida annually, this is the best because of the influx of northern snowbird dealers.   
I found and purchased this 1942 Colt Commando. It is COLT lettered and shows it was one of 4 shipped to the Hood Rubber Co. for their armed guards.
Hood Rubber Company -- Watertown (Mass.) 
During WWII, the Company was enlisted by the United States Armed Forces to manufacture bullet-proof fuel cells, deicers for aircraft, helmet liners and aviation boots products, especially military boots for both the Pacific and European theaters.
Hood merged into The B. F. Goodrich Company in 1929.

I'd like a Victory model, to complete the pairing.
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Dug out my Colt Army Special this AM for a side by side comparison.  The colt frame is probably 3/16 of and inch larger and a tad heavier even more so with a 6 inch vs 5 inch barrel.  The triggers have a different feel but both pretty good.  Then just because the safe was open pulled out the New Service in 45 Colt (started life in 1914 as .455 webley and made the trip across the pond) and the 1917 S&W DA Brazilian contract.  I really like how those big old beasts feel in the hand, makes me want to go all Humphrey Bogart.
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I like them too...here is my M1917 and Webley

I use 45 Auto Rim but I do have Moon clips as well
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BTW if you want to make your own boxes here are the labels.

Boxes are here... https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07255LMRR/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

or here if you want bulk 100 boxes or more, for up the 50 rounds.

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055040   4 1/4 ''   2 3/4 ''   1 1/2 ''   100 each / case   $0.9776   $0.87984   $97.76
Works well for 50 rounds up to 44 Cal.- about 46 rounds of 45 Colt
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some examples  :)
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Amazing stuff!!  Very jealous over here!!
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I have a Police Positive made in 1916, a 1917/1937 S&W, a 1909 Colt, and an M&P made in 1948.
I am going to put "Victory" grips on the M&P because I don't like how the original grips fit my hand.

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Over on the S&W BB they talk about Birth Year guns.

I wouldn't mind a Apr. 48 Smith, but I would probably opt for a Victory model first.


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My 1903 Springfield is my dad's birth year gun. 1937.

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