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Re: SOLD and enroute to it's new home
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2021, 12:49:40 PM »
Yes, admittedly it is about me. My opinion is that you felt that I was an easy mark, and attempted to take me. You obviously know little about percussion revolvers. So, now you thrash about to muddy the waters to hide the fact that you are a scammer. Now, you want me to return the damage item, for which I will be expected to pay for its return. Yes, I have a return address, but is it truly your address, or an abandon building? You get the item back and use it for another project. I see no refund, while you shout I sent it to him. And you come out on top. Sounds crazy, check with the US Postal Inspectors see what they have to say.

Now, I offer you an alternative, discount the sale another $50, which still won't cover the cost of repairs, and we both walk away unhappy.
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Re: SOLD and enroute to it's new home
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2021, 12:57:09 PM »
Pejorative, as in painting the revolver's condition in the worst light I could. Savvy?

If you were aiming for the worst light possible, you failed miserably to hit the mark there. For if that was truly your ambition you would have disclosed the damaged arbor. What you described was mostly cosmetic, not structural or functional.
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Re: SOLD and enroute to it's new home
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2021, 02:23:18 PM »

Now, I offer you an alternative, discount the sale another $50, which still won't cover the cost of repairs, and we both walk away unhappy.

Three times I offered return and refund, three times you rejected that. I see your game.

I am not going to waste any more time with you.

And again, I am not going to waste any more time with you.

And yet here we are. Again.

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Re: SOLD and enroute to it's new home
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2021, 05:35:05 PM »
Not so much Peanut Gallery as Rubbernecking While Driving By The Scene Of An Accident . . .

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Re: SOLD and enroute to it's new home
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2021, 05:49:55 PM »
or train wreck !
when planets align...do the deal !

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Re: SOLD and enroute to it's new home
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2021, 09:22:28 PM »
Claypipe :

Take a deep breath, and relax. Have some coffee.

First, Belgian Centaur Colts are highly sought after in any condition.

ANY CONDITION

It seems to me that Story pretty much described the piece pretty well.
On such a piece, arbor wiggle is pretty darn common and an easy fix.

And Story admitted
>> I'll admit to being a dumbass not noticing the wiggle.

you wrote:
>Some bubba has already attempted to "fix" said problem by drilling and tapping the end of the
>arbor and using a Phillips Screw in an attempt to take out the wiggle. I do not think that
>the threads for the arbor are even there any longer, that is how bad the wiggle is. This
>comes down to either welding up the damage or adding a double threaded bushing to take up
>the space. I am 61, with hands on experience working on guns since I was 15.

You are not correct. Wiggle is common on replicas with age, and one cannot claim the arbor threads
are gone without simple dissassembly and examination as explained by 45 Dragoon, who is a resident
expert here on open tops (which one would know if one followed CAS City forum posts).

45 Dragoon's described repair is also common and will last years.
Welding or brazing or soldering is almost never needed.

I also find it interesting that even tho you claim to know about C&B revolvers, you think that the
Adjustment screw on the end of the arbor is an attempt to fix arbor wiggle.   
    It is not .   
It is a common, VERY WELL known fix for any Uberti or Belgian Colt C&B which all come from the factory
with an arbor that is too short. They are designed that way. Yes, it sucks. But we all know about it and fix it.

Story offered to take it back, 3 times. And yet you refused.
You seem to be imagining insults and bizarre conspiracies where none exist.

Story has been around damn near forever. Since 2005 . He was in Iraq and came back alive.
We know him from here and from other forums. Story has always had interesting posts.
Never had any reason to fault him or doubt him or his word.

You signed up in 2010 but we haven't seen much from you, except a LOT of complaining about other people.
including rants over strange conspiracies. And some of your posts ended up in the OutHouse.
Yes, we archive such behaviour.

In fact there was nothing from you between your last rants against Mako and another fellow in 2011
and now, in which you post more rants over percieved (but not factual) insults to you.

I am distressed at your habit of airing PM's (PRIVATE Messages) and emails on a public forum
instead of dealing with issues in a private manner like an adult. You did it in 2011 and again here.
We call that "doxing" and frown on the practice. It is not mature behaviour.


you wrote:
>My opinion is that you felt that I was an easy mark, and attempted to take me.
>You obviously know little about percussion revolvers. So, now you
>thrash about to muddy the waters to hide the fact that you are a scammer.

Doesn't look like that to me.
 

>Now, you want me to return the damage item, for which I will be expected to pay for its return.

It was advertised as in poor condition already, and the return terms are common.

it only costs about $7 in a USPS box, which includes tracking numbers.
I know cuz I do it several times a month.


>Yes, I have a return address, but is it truly your address, or an abandon building? You get the
>item back and use it for another project. I see no refund, while you shout I sent it to
>him. And you come out on top. Sounds crazy, check with the US Postal Inspectors see what
>they have to say.
 
Are you perhaps off your meds?

Seriously, That sounds like the rant of a conspiracy fanatic.

If you are actually concerned about "a real address"  I would actually be willing ( but not happy )
 to act as a 3rd party and verify the address for you, if it would ease your mind, and facillitate a
more harmonious outcome...


> Now, I offer you an alternative, discount the sale another $50, which still won't cover the
> cost of repairs, and we both walk away unhappy.

Story should Send you $50 back? on top of a further discounted price?
With vieled threats on a public forum? Now who is the scammer?

Frankly I could do the fix for $5 to $10 max.

If you have the experience you claim, you could follow 45 Dragoons advice and do it yourself
if less than an hour. Two hours if your are hamhanded. ( But its not so easy if one is crippled up
with arthritis).

You demanding $50 ransom is outrageous.
I've done this fix many many times in the past.
I am doing it now on another frame I got.
Rifle and 45 Dragoon and dozens of others here have done it for years.

If you read the posts on CAS City at all you would know who Rifle is.
You would also know who 45 Dragoon is.
You would have seen the many prior posts on this fix.
You would also have known what an upright citizen Mako is before you dumped on him in 2011.
 
SO
I suggest you work this out OFFLINE with Story, as he has offered.

or drop it.

I really dont care which, but grow up and work it out off the forum like an a calm ADULT .

Free Advice:
If one is so worried about returning it, just document the whole thing in
calm, reasonable and Adult manner, archived emails and via paper letters in the package to Story
as tho it were a contract . keep copies, hell send a copy of the letter you are sending to Story
to yourself by mail so it is dated. use tracking numbers.
 
When he gets it back, INTACT, Story can send a USPS money order with a tracking number.

If one were to write it up as described, one wants to write it factually and impartially
without insults or inuendo or any rant as tho one were already taking it court, in such a manner
as to not insult the judge or make oneself look like an idiot. If it comes to it, In these cases it really
pays to have a disinterested 3rd party read it over and advise. One does not want to look
like the idiots going on TV court.

As I said earlier if you are concerned about Story's address, I would actually be willing
( but not happy ) to act as a disinterested 3rd party and verify the adress for you, if it
would ease your mind, and facillitate a more harmonious outcome...

Then You guys keep each other posted, and exchange tracking numbers.
you are only out $7 shipping which is fair for a return after inspection.

Easy Peasy.

If Story doesnt follow thru (and I fully expect him to follow thru) then file a claim with USPS,
the USPS Postal Police, and file a claim in court. That is when the documentation would be needed.

How do I know? I've done it before. Never had to follow through any further than notifying USPS
(and only once).

Bottom line -

1) demanding a $50 refund on top of the reduced price ON THE OPEN FORUM is gypsy extortion.

2) I dont want to see any more s&*t about this on the forum

3) If you do send it back to Story I will buy it from HIM. Belgain Centaurs are that desireable.

BTW, Claypipe,
Take a deep breath, and relax. This is not worth a heart attack or stroke.
Have some coffee and antacid, or your valium (or whatever) if needed.
skip the Jack Daniels.

you have two forum moderators particiating in this thread already and more watching it.
Be mindful of what you post next.

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Re: SOLD and enroute to it's new home
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2021, 10:35:59 PM »
Professor feel free to read my mind. Opinions are like underwear, most people have them, and like underwear many are full of fecal matter.

I tore down the Belgian Pony today. I discovered that the arbor had already been replaced with an Italian replacement. Threaded end being too small Uncle Bubba attempted to swell the threaded end first with a small cold chisel. When that failed to do the trick Uncle Bubba turn to center punch with a square tip. When all that failed, Uncle Bubba fired up his propane torch and attempted to silver solder the arbor in place.

A shovel is a shovel. And a spade is a spade. And I know the difference between these earth moving implements.

As for Mako, he made the mistake of attempting telling me what my life was like when I was growing up. Sorry, I never saw him at our dinner table when I was growing up.
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Re: SOLD and enroute to it's new home
« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2021, 12:30:08 AM »
Claypipe :

Take a deep breath, and relax. Have some coffee.

You would not like me on coffee. 1 cup and I am up for 3 days. And that's decaf.

First, Belgian Centaur Colts are highly sought after in any condition.

ANY CONDITION

It seems to me that Story pretty much described the piece pretty well.
On such a piece, arbor wiggle is pretty darn common and an easy fix.

Riddle me this Prof, if they are so desirable at any price why was it 16 days after it was first listed before I closed the deal on it? Oh, he claimed that there was some low balling tire kicker in the wings. That wasn't you was it?

And Story admitted
>> I'll admit to being a dumbass not noticing the wiggle.

you wrote:
>Some bubba has already attempted to "fix" said problem by drilling and tapping the end of the
>arbor and using a Phillips Screw in an attempt to take out the wiggle. I do not think that
>the threads for the arbor are even there any longer, that is how bad the wiggle is. This
>comes down to either welding up the damage or adding a double threaded bushing to take up
>the space. I am 61, with hands on experience working on guns since I was 15.

You are not correct. Wiggle is common on replicas with age, and one cannot claim the arbor threads
are gone without simple dissassembly and examination as explained by 45 Dragoon, who is a resident
expert here on open tops (which one would know if one followed CAS City forum posts).

45 Dragoon's described repair is also common and will last years.
Welding or brazing or soldering is almost never needed.

As you pointed out you cannot diagnose a repair without first inspecting the gun. I refer you to my findings in my other post.
 
I also find it interesting that even tho you claim to know about C&B revolvers, you think that the
Adjustment screw on the end of the arbor is an attempt to fix arbor wiggle.   
    It is not .   
It is a common, VERY WELL known fix for any Uberti or Belgian Colt C&B which all come from the factory
with an arbor that is too short. They are designed that way. Yes, it sucks. But we all know about it and fix it.

Story offered to take it back, 3 times. And yet you refused.
You seem to be imagining insults and bizarre conspiracies where none exist.

Story has been around damn near forever. Since 2005 . He was in Iraq and came back alive.
We know him from here and from other forums. Story has always had interesting posts.
Never had any reason to fault him or doubt him or his word.

I sincerely thank him for his service. My family was military before they even set foot here in North America back in 1673. I was found medically unfit for service due an abdominal hernia and flat feet. When I took the 3hr test, I finished it in 45 minutes, and was up for OTC.

You signed up in 2010 but we haven't seen much from you, except a LOT of complaining about other people.
including rants over strange conspiracies. And some of your posts ended up in the OutHouse.
Yes, we archive such behaviour.

In fact there was nothing from you between your last rants against Mako and another fellow in 2011
and now, in which you post more rants over percieved (but not factual) insults to you.

I am distressed at your habit of airing PM's (PRIVATE Messages) and emails on a public forum
instead of dealing with issues in a private manner like an adult. You did it in 2011 and again here.
We call that "doxing" and frown on the practice. It is not mature behaviour.

dox
/däks/
verbINFORMAL
gerund or present participle: doxing
search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the internet, typically with malicious intent.
"hackers and online vigilantes routinely dox both public and private figures"

What I posted was communicated to me personally, not dirt that I dug up with malicious intent.

you wrote:
>My opinion is that you felt that I was an easy mark, and attempted to take me.
>You obviously know little about percussion revolvers. So, now you
>thrash about to muddy the waters to hide the fact that you are a scammer.

Doesn't look like that to me.
 

>Now, you want me to return the damage item, for which I will be expected to pay for its return.

It was advertised as in poor condition already, and the return terms are common.

it only costs about $7 in a USPS box, which includes tracking numbers.
I know cuz I do it several times a month.

Really, you must get a good discount. Small Flat Rate Box $7.90 Commercial Base $8.45 at Post Office & Online. And is too small to hold a Belgian Pony properly.

>Yes, I have a return address, but is it truly your address, or an abandon building? You get the
>item back and use it for another project. I see no refund, while you shout I sent it to
>him. And you come out on top. Sounds crazy, check with the US Postal Inspectors see what
>they have to say.
 
Are you perhaps off your meds?

Seriously, That sounds like the rant of a conspiracy fanatic.

If you are actually concerned about "a real address"  I would actually be willing ( but not happy )
 to act as a 3rd party and verify the address for you, if it would ease your mind, and facillitate a
more harmonious outcome...

I will refer you to the USPS Postal Inspectors to confirm that.

> Now, I offer you an alternative, discount the sale another $50, which still won't cover the
> cost of repairs, and we both walk away unhappy.

Story should Send you $50 back? on top of a further discounted price?
With vieled threats on a public forum? Now who is the scammer?

Frankly I could do the fix for $5 to $10 max.

I manage to obtain a proper arbor for $22.00, but I did see others sans shipping for $35usd. Then there's the trip to the local machine shop to mill out the wedge hole at $30phr.

If you have the experience you claim, you could follow 45 Dragoons advice and do it yourself
if less than an hour. Two hours if your are hamhanded. ( But its not so easy if one is crippled up
with arthritis).

You demanding $50 ransom is outrageous.
I've done this fix many many times in the past.
I am doing it now on another frame I got.
Rifle and 45 Dragoon and dozens of others here have done it for years.

If you read the posts on CAS City at all you would know who Rifle is.
You would also know who 45 Dragoon is.
You would have seen the many prior posts on this fix.
You would also have known what an upright citizen Mako is before you dumped on him in 2011.
 
SO
I suggest you work this out OFFLINE with Story, as he has offered.

or drop it.

I really dont care which, but grow up and work it out off the forum like an a calm ADULT .

Free Advice:
If one is so worried about returning it, just document the whole thing in
calm, reasonable and Adult manner, archived emails and via paper letters in the package to Story
as tho it were a contract . keep copies, hell send a copy of the letter you are sending to Story
to yourself by mail so it is dated. use tracking numbers.
 
When he gets it back, INTACT, Story can send a USPS money order with a tracking number.

If one were to write it up as described, one wants to write it factually and impartially
without insults or inuendo or any rant as tho one were already taking it court, in such a manner
as to not insult the judge or make oneself look like an idiot. If it comes to it, In these cases it really
pays to have a disinterested 3rd party read it over and advise. One does not want to look
like the idiots going on TV court.

As I said earlier if you are concerned about Story's address, I would actually be willing
( but not happy ) to act as a disinterested 3rd party and verify the adress for you, if it
would ease your mind, and facillitate a more harmonious outcome...

Then You guys keep each other posted, and exchange tracking numbers.
you are only out $7 shipping which is fair for a return after inspection.

Easy Peasy.

If Story doesnt follow thru (and I fully expect him to follow thru) then file a claim with USPS,
the USPS Postal Police, and file a claim in court. That is when the documentation would be needed.

How do I know? I've done it before. Never had to follow through any further than notifying USPS
(and only once).

Bottom line -

1) demanding a $50 refund on top of the reduced price ON THE OPEN FORUM is gypsy extortion.

2) I dont want to see any more s&*t about this on the forum

3) If you do send it back to Story I will buy it from HIM. Belgain Centaurs are that desireable.

BTW, Claypipe,
Take a deep breath, and relax. This is not worth a heart attack or stroke.
Have some coffee and antacid, or your valium (or whatever) if needed.
skip the Jack Daniels.

JD? do you drink that swill? Bullet Rye, Yukon Jack, Southern Comfort, Sazerac Rye and most Irish whiskey. I'm sure there are others that would love to see me on mind altering drugs. The only thing that I am addicted to is Coke...a Cola. My anatomy precludes me from addiction to most pharmaceuticals. Found that out in 1980, when I was killed on the operating table after four shots of demerol and two of sodium pentothal. I was in recovery for 24 hours, after 6 hours of surgery. I flushed a bottle of percocet when I realized I was starting to like them. I watch two people I knew die of valium overdoses. All I am in need of is honesty.

you have two forum moderators particiating in this thread already and more watching it.
Be mindful of what you post next.

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Good to know and glad to hear it.

Getting down to brass tacks, he failed to expose all the defects, then attempted to fluff it off. And I challenge you to unveil these "thinly veiled threats".
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Re: SOLD and enroute to it's new home
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2021, 01:27:21 AM »
Claypipe,

I tried to help.
I gave lots of advice, and even then you quibble over a couple bucks on a USPS rate

sorry the arbor is shot. on a 40 plus year old repro its always a crapshoot.
but its youir choice to take it to a machinist when hand tools will suffice.

told you right off, just return for a refund

also told you:  KEEP IT OFF THE FORUM


I told you ONCE to take it offline.

You had to come back with your scheiss.

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Re: SOLD and enroute to it's new home
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2021, 07:12:39 AM »
Through all of this the one thing that sticks out glaringly. Not once has Story shown regret or even offered an apology. And if calling himself a dumbass is what passes for such here, where I stand it is right up there with the phrase "my bad."
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Re: SOLD and enroute to it's new home
« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2021, 07:52:52 AM »
Claypipe,

I tried to help.
I gave lots of advice, and even then you quibble over a couple bucks on a USPS rate

sorry the arbor is shot. on a 40 plus year old repro its always a crapshoot.
but its youir choice to take it to a machinist when hand tools will suffice.

told you right off, just return for a refund

also told you:  KEEP IT OFF THE FORUM


I told you ONCE to take it offline.

You had to come back with your scheiss.

bye

No, I fight for the truth, where you fell short.

And your advice was richly flavored with your desire to buy this piece for yourself, coloring you as bias. Then you remarked about the difference between my join date and his, a covert way of telling me I was up against a good old boy club. "L" I already knew that from past experience.

But, when you stand me up at the gates of "L", I won't back down. Since I was 15 years old, someone or the other has told me that I would NOT see my next birthday. I have actually been threatened with knives and have had guns drawn on me. My ex-wife even predicted I would be dead by the time I was 52. Cardiac surgeon told me I had 5 years to live in 2013. You do the math. 3 heart attacks, drove myself to the hospital each time. Where I was rushed to the OR. Yet, after all that, here I am 46 years later. Yes, I walk with a cane, but its solid steel and weighs 9 and a half pounds, scared the fecal matter out of WWE's Edge. You can see him, Jamie Kennedy and I in the Dojo scene on video in"Bending the Rules." BTW, 10 Jahre alt mein  Kinder  jüngste ist. Mein Deutsch ist sher gut nicht, was der Teufel?
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