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CAS TOPICS => NCOWS => Topic started by: Silver Creek Slim on October 27, 2004, 11:54:18 AM
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Is this an authentic hat? ;D
Slim
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Slim, I thought I had you taught better by now, go to our friend Solomon Butcher and do the cowboys search, since with yer brandin' irun you try to do the cowboy personna. Now look at the hats on the range cowboys. Put that hat in the back a yer pickup fer another month and it will look right. To bad the hat I'm wearin' in the picture in "The Shootist" don't show up better, I'll bring it to the NCOWS connvention, it ain't attacked anyone in a while.
Often the brim up in front had a use, makes it easier to shoot a rifle with tang sights, George Custer had some sort of hook and eye arangement for his. Myself I just use a straight pin to hold the brim up on the ugly hat when I shoot the Sharps.
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Fer fun I dug this up outa the Denver Public Library Collection. The guy it the back with the hat that looks like Corperal Agarn from F Troop is one of the Regimental Surgons, Dr. Lord. He was killed before he made it to the top of Reno Hill on the 25th of June 1876.
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?hawp:17:./temp/~ammem_lTcu:
Click on the photo fer a better look.
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Delmonico,
That one did not work for me can you try again?
Old Top
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Del,
Is this the picture?
(http://photoswest.org/photos/00100376/00100424.jpg)
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Slim
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Slim, it looks about as authentic as you can get. No offense, but I like it a lot better than the one in your avatar with the country & western rolled up side brims. If you look at most old photo's, the hat was about a non-descript item as you can get. Most would look more like a comic would wear now days. It's hard for most people to get way from the rolled up sides or turned down front as is commonly worn by most SASS shooters. Also you will see a lot of modern shooters wearing the Gus crease in their hats. Personally I like a hat with the front curled up but can't bring myself to wear it that way.. So, I wear a flat brimmed Boss of the Plains.
By the way, welcome to NCOWS.
Check my avatar now. ;D
Slim
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I have always liked this hat. ;D
(http://www.smileyburnette.org/Smiley/pics/SmileyBurnette.jpg)
Slim
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Slim, its a well-known fact, well, only in Iowa perhaps, that if your dress like Froggy and wear a hat like his you have to be able to sing like him or else you'll get run out of the bar! Can you hit a double-bass 'D'?
Best regards and good singing!
'Ol Gabe
P.S. Check out 'Frog' at his watch table next convention, he has some goooooooood stuff!
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Ol Gabe,
Everytime I watch one of his movies I practice hitting that low note. I got a bunch of his movies 'cuz the kids (and the parents) love to watch him. I am trying to find a Frog shirt so I can dress like him for a match. ;D
Slim
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Thanks, Joss. ;D
Slim
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Thats the picture. don't know why the links from LOC American Memory often work for a while and then stop workin. It's both here and on the one at work.
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Delmonico,
Would you say the brim on the Dr.'s hat is about 6" wide?
Slim
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I'd say 4 inches, ya notice he is shorter than Custer by 3-4 inches, I belive Custer was 5'9" so that would make Dr. Lord about 5'6" .
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The more I look at that hat, it appears that the back brim is "pinned" up also like Napoleon's hat.
(http://www.usc.edu/schools/annenberg/asc/projects/comm544/library/images/634bg.jpg)
Slim
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It's hard to tell.. so many of the floopy brims were turned up, so the photographer could see the face.. I think most hats were pretty much flat brimmed.
My Uncle Mo runs the ranch in Alpine. He buys a new hat every ten years, whether he needs them or not. ;)
When they were filming one of the Lonesome Dove movies out there, he was offered $500 for one of his hats, and it was only in it's 7th year. I have a hat that I only use out there... it used to be silverbelly and now.. it's just a color..
Adios,
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Hext,
How wide is the brim of your hat in your jail bird avatar?
Slim
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Slim, that ain't no hat.. that's a sombrero..
8 inch brim
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Slim, that ain't no hat.. that's a sombrero..
8 inch brim
Ah! That's what I should get and steam the brim up. ;D
Slim
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8 inch brim, man that's some smobreada sombrero. ;D
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One of my favorite authentic hats: (http://www.zenshootists.com/photos/Aug04/photos/photo24.jpg)
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Some folks think that having the front of the hat turned up is just being silly.
I tell them that that is a "Sourdogh Curl" and came into being with the 49ers and other prospectors.
The reason for it is so you can be down in the creek, panning out a sample, and still keep an eye out for claimjumpers, Indians, and other such hazards.
Being a genuine gold miner, I wear a hat thusly.
Grizzle Bear
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Some folks think that having the front of the hat turned up is just being silly.
I tell them that that is a "Sourdogh Curl" and came into being with the 49ers and other prospectors.
The reason for it is so you can be down in the creek, panning out a sample, and still keep an eye out for claimjumpers, Indians, and other such hazards.
Being a genuine gold miner, I wear a hat thusly.
Grizzle Bear
That is good info. Thanks, Grizzle Bear.
Slim
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I've often wondered about the front of the brim being steamed up and what significance it had in history. This thread has been most helpful. Thanks to all for the information posted here. ;)
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Marshall,
If you spent any amount of time on a horse your hat would have a very noticable curled front brim, especially if the horse had any speed. ie; wind in your face and all that.
Big Hext,
I have one of the Knudsen Hat Company hats out of San Fransico, It has a six inch brim with a heavy pencil roll , and open crown. It is turned up in the front and slightly in the back. It looks like the old south western sugar loaf sombreros except that has a five inch open crown, nicest hat I have seen as yet. I will try to post a picture of it tomorrow.
Joss,
Fine looking hat, I spend a lot of time (and money) at Tonto Rim, they are only about an hour south of me.
OCB
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This is my favorite hat. It is from the Knudsen Hat Co; out in San Francisco. Six inch Brim, 10xxxxxxxxxxBeaver.
OCB
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Nice hat Bill. My favorite is a Rand 4X6 open crown, 100% beaver (10X) black with a bound on the bottom edge.
My second favorite is the one that don't show up well on my picture in The Shootist, course it has 3 1/2 years hard wear on it. Plus lard, butter, flour, pine tree sap and chock-o-lit a permenant part of it. Ad before you ask I wasn't follow Euall Gibbons, the tree sap is from huntin' deer under a pine, not from cookin'. Oh lots of moke stains from fannin' a cookfire.
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Delmonico,
It sounds like you've got that hat aged just about right!!
OCB
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Smiley was a Large Man and his movie clothes never seemed to fit him for one reason or another. He started out in the movies wearing a hat with a low crown and a wide flat brim. I guess the Old Black hat that he wore later was just worn out and the brim was not stiff anyone. "Frog" was one of a Kind. :) ;) :D ;D :o 8) ::)