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Special Interests - Groups & Societies => 1860 Henry => Topic started by: mtmarfield on June 27, 2019, 03:32:51 PM
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Greetings!
Well... I was getting really lonesome, after selling my last Henry to TL; so, I took that cash,
and ordered another from DGW. Lovely, just like the last.
Except.
No Cleaning Rod Trap in the Buttstock, like the last one. I've eMailed VTI to see if they can
accommodate my quixotic needs, and I'm awaiting a reply.
I've previously acquired the BACo 4-Piece Cleaning Rod, and I'm waiting for my miscellaneous
Sling Hardware to arrive, so that I can get to stitching. I've also just completed another "5-Shot
Magazine Plug".
If VTI doesn't come through, any and all suggestions will be welcome!
M.T.Marfield
6-27-19
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I've emailed VTI about the same part. They said they didnt have any left. Hope your new henry brings you many great m aw tches
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Well Shucks ???
I must admit I haven't procured a "new" Henry in quite a few years. I had thought about it as I only have four. ALL of my earlier production Henry rifles have the Butt Trap for the cleaning rod. I even have cleaning rods in all the traps. They are very handy traveling with the rifle.
I am however, amazed and confused that Uberti would stop including the Trapp in the butt of the Henry. Realizing full well the trapp does constitute several extra manufacturing steps and dropping the tarp is a cost savings measure. But Damn, that little feature was special to the Henry and should have remained. At various times, Butt Traps were included in other Winchester offerings. I have seen them in original sample examples of '66s and '73s. What a CROCK.
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Greetings!
Yep. VTI eMailed a response, indicating that A.Uberti had ceased making the
Cleaning Rod Trap.
SO: I'll have to keep my eyes open for an earlier replacement. I'm very keen
on having that accessory available.
I'd appreciate any information on the availability of a complete Buttstock w/ a
Cleaning Rod Trap, sale or swap!
Until then... I think I'll make some smoke!
M.T.Marfield
6-29-19
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... If VTI doesn't come through, any and all suggestions will be welcome!...
M.T. , I would check with the parts departments at DGW, Cimarron, and Taylors.
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PLUS ONE too Abilene.
Afore you give up, Call everybody who might have one you betcha.
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Greetings!
Will do! Can't hurt to check...
M.T.Marfield
6-30-19
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At one point, Midway USA actually had some of the Uberti 1860 Henry sling parts. When I did my .45 Colt Henry a couple years ago, I got some from Midway, some from VTI, and some from Numrich.
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Greetings!
Well: Cimarron Parts says that they have none in stock, but are definitely not discontinued;
Taylors Parts says they're not available, and none in stock.
TL, I grabbed a 'Winchester-Style' Sling Hook from S&S, and have a "Double Loop Buckle"
coming from "BuckleGuy". In a few days, I plan on making a trip to Tandy for the Sling Leather,
other incidentals, and advice. I will investigate Midway out of curiosity, however! Thanks for the
tip! IF the Sling doesn't look too god-awful, I'll post a photo.
Thanks, Everyone!
M.T.Marfield
7-01-19
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Greetings!
I've finally gotten all of my parts together to make my Henrys "authentic sling", and considering that
I have no accumulated leather working skill, it came out OK. I lace it all together, looping it through the
buttstock swivel, and through the sling hook. I lift the Henry by the sling...
And then.
The buttstock sling swivel separates from the plate inletted into the wood. I carefully remove the plate, and
find that the snap-ring (?) had unsnapped from the relief cut in the shaft of the sling swivel.
After about ten minutes of "No-Workshop/No-Proper-Tools" tooth-gritting, I actually get the tiny retaining
snap-ring back into its place. Seems tight. I re-lace the sling, adjust its buckle to what looks like a good
length, and throw it to my shoulder.
And then.
It pops out again. I don't know if DGW is open on The Fourth or not ( Probably not ), but they will be
getting a phone call from their thirty-odd-year loyal customer. I was planning on going out to the rifle range
tomorrow, and making a little BP smoke... Hell, should I just take this to the Colorado School of Trades and
have them silver-solder the ring in place? If DGW tells me to send the whole rifle back, I'm going to be a tad
disconsolate. I hope that All of You have FUN tomorrow, as I plan to!
Sorry for the Bitch Session...
M.T.Marfield
7-03-19
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Greetings!
I've noticed that the carrier is protruding from the bottom of the frame about 1/32"; should I
worry about this?
M.T.Marfield
7-26-19
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Greetings!
I've just received my Henry Buttstock Sling Swivel back from DGW; their Gunsmith
put a weld-button on the pin, allowing it to turn freely, but NEVER to pop off again!
BRAVO!
M.T.Marfield
7-27-19
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Greetings!
I've noticed that the carrier is protruding from the bottom of the frame about 1/32"; should I
worry about this?
M.T.Marfield
7-26-19
That is normal on 90% of the Henry and 66s I have seen.
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Greetings!
Ah, OK! New to me.
Thanks!!
M.T.Marfield
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Sling and hardware pictures are where?
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Greetings!
Well, since Coffinmaker allayed a concern of mine, I decided to make the 2hr drive to my Rifle Range,
and put lead into the backstop.
First shots were with one of three boxes of Ultramax .44WCF "Cowboy Action" ammo, which performed
well, and, at fifty yards, went right to the POA. Next came my BP handloads: Accurate #43-215C cast from
"pure lead" ( BHN 5/6 ), and sized to .428"; 28gr GOEX FFg, droptubed; Federal#155 LgPistMag; RCBS
Three Die Set; Ctg 1.57" OAL; assembled 4-30-17. Sidenote: by BP cartridges used old Remington-Peters
( "R-P" ) brass, and I actually had one split down to 3/10" of the web; well, looks like everyone's getting
annealed...
Using these BP Cartridges, and shooting from a 'rest', I'm embarrassed to relate that my average was
"7-Ring", and my cop-outs are my eyes, bad notch rear sight, glasses, etc. Hell, when I was in my 20's, I
could easily keep my old Rolling-Block .45-70 in 2" all day. Alas...
Photos below...
M.T.Marfield
8-07-19
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Greetings!
The first target is the first five BP shots.
M.T.Marfield
8-07-19
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M.T.,
Try a harder alloy before you trade in your eyeballs. My guns group 1:40 at about 8" paper plate size but shoot good with 1:30 or 1:25.
Billy
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Greetings, YB!
I'll probably go that route; I was thinking 'obturation' when I went to the soft lead. I wish that
they'd kept the rifling twist at 36"; I like shooting lighter bullets, without having to resort to harder
alloys.
I LOVED your post on turning your Henry into a target rifle. You're shooting rather heavy bullets;
is that for longer range and fast twist?
M.T.Marfield
8-07-19
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I always loved that scene on Lonesome Dove where Gus pops the Comanchero at (how many?) yards. Of course it was "just a movie" but the scene actually doesn't show how far apart they were. So, that got me to wondering just what was feasible.
Yes on both on questions. I want to see how tight a group can be shot at 385 meters. But, both the 230 and the 245 gr. Accurate bullets are just a little light at that range (understatement) and the weather refuses to co-operate. Varying day-time temps from 80 to 104 degrees (104 today) play havoc with my velocities and yesterday the gentle summer breezes were blowing the bullets 14" at 200 meters.
But, the Henry will shoot. I shot a 3.25 High x 1.06" Wide 200 meter group day before yesterday. (One of those rare days that bullets fly inwards instead of outwards)
The bullets will obturate. I'm sizing .431" and the group was shot with Accurate's 43-245 Gas Check bullet - 1:25, using smokeless RL-7. 21.6 grains to be exact. Velocity was 1230. Today that load shot 1258. I've had it go to 1271. Who knows what it will be tomorrow? ???
Billy
PS. I started out with the 215 C bullet and just looked through my notes. I saw within a few months that it was too light to do what I wanted to do but did shoot quite a few 50 yard groups under an inch with an 1866 Uberti. Definitely put a .432" x .030" John Walters vegetable wad under the bullet, sitting on BP. It will help eliminate gas cutting, improving accuracy. I started with Swiss II and now shoot OE III. I suspect your rifle and your region's heat and humidity will dictate which powder you use. BP is more accurate in my rifles and this RL-7 is the only smokeless that I have found that will give the BP a good run.
Also, when I started, I couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with the stock sights. (Too much glare. NM is super bright) I went to a hooded front and a Marble's tang sight. In my case, the Marble's sights didn't live very long and I went through several of them before I switched to the Shaver's.
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My 7.0 grains of Trail Boss and a 200 grain .428 Missouri Bullet Company bullet gives me right around 1125 + or - from my Henry. It roughly duplicates the original 200 grain Henry flat with 28 grains of BP. I would love to have a place to try 200 yards on it!
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Well, we are a long ways from being "next door neighbors" (my closest is 15 miles) but you are more than welcomed to shoot here.
Billy
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Greetings!
I was contemplating a .430" Milk Carton card wad under a harder bullet of "Pot-Luck W-W"; I
suppose that I could also increase the diameter to .429" / .430"...
I've also been thinking of tinkering with my Bullet Lube ( 1/2 Olive Oil & 1/2 Bees Wax ) by
adding Jojoba Bean Oil. I read an article in "The Buckskin Report" (?) about Jojoba Bean Oil being
an analog to Sperm Whale Oil. Hmmm...
My eyes might appreciate an Aperture Sight... Currently, I'm not really keen on a Tang Sight for
the Henry, but I wonder how an aperture on the Rear Sight Elevator might work out, a-la Remington's
"Rough & Ready" Rear Sight.
Thinking Out Loud... Thanks for the Tips!
M.T.Marfield
8-10-19
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M.T.
Before I switched to the vegetable wads, I shot a few milk carton cards but not enough to ever determine if they worked for me. (milk / juice cartons are a pretty rare item here.) My barrels measure .4295" on both guns. I have shot sized bullets from .428 to .432 (from mold) without seeing any earth shaking results. I selected .431 because they "fill up" the chamber better....and they also fit in the Uberti pistols.
I have some 50/50 ww / lead alloy 215 bullets that according to LBT's hardness tester, test 14 BHN. These were the only bullets I have shot that left lots of lead slivers on the cleaning patch. (Shooting BP, I clean after every string of 6 or 8 shots) I have never tried straight ww.
And I just buy SPG. Weather permitting, I try to shoot daily and I have enough trouble casting enough bullets and keeping the cases clean. I have some DGL here but have never tried it because I think SPG works well.
I just looked at MVA's "Rough & Ready". https://montanavintagearms.com/product/sights/mva/rough-ready-barrel-sight/
I toyed with the idea of drilling a hole in the Henry's rear sight and trying that but decided to go with the Soule because of the much longer sight radius, the windage adjustments and the Hadley cup. They are expensive but in my case, have been worth every penny.
Billy
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Greetings!
My next days off, I'm going to fire up the Lead Pot... In the mean time, photos from a brief sojourn
at the Prairie Grasslands.
I decided to empty some Ultramax .44-40 cartuchos; and experiencing a moment of clarity, I slapped
a 3" Aiming Paster on the back of a target. Aiming at a 50yd dot changes things: my five shot group isn't
as depressing.
M.T.Marfield
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Em Tee ... :D
Noticed the Sling Thingie on the side of yer Henry. I just happen to have a Sling Thingie on the side of one of my Henry Rifles. Butt ..... My sling is rather mundane. Just another leather reproduction with a rather plain black finished hook (Captain Hook??) at the barrel end.
Your Sling Thingie appears to have a Bright Brass Hook Thingie on the end. Would that be correct?? If in fact your sling thingie has brass furniture ........ where did you get it??
Weak and feeble minds want to know :o
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Greetings, CM!
The Brass Thingie is the Brass Sling Ring that I added to the Sling Swivel on the Barrel Assembly;
the Hook is steel, alas. The idea of the Brass Ring was to give the Steel Sling Hook something to
nibble on, instead of the more expensive Barrel-Mounted Sling Swivel. I wish that I could've found a
more appropriate brass / bronze Sling Hook. All of the brass hardware came from BuckleGuy.com...
M.T.Marfield
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Ah So!! I see the light. Went back a few posts and saw your "Brass Ring Thing." Rather a neat Idea. I may well have to look into a Brass Ring Thing for mine. I'm always intrigued by bright shiny things ;D
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Greetings, CM!
All originals that I've seen have an Iron Ring, but... When I found the Buckle, I
saw the 3/4" Brass Ring, and I thought it would work well. It does.
www.BuckleGuy.com
M.T.Marfield
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Greetings!
I had previously mentioned that the spring in the buttplate failed to apply enough tension to keep
the Cleaning Rod Trapdoor as secure as I would like. I removed the spring retainer screw, and went
to JAX; there, I acquired a 'spring washer' that was slightly larger in diameter than the screw head,
and thin enough not to compromise the seating depth of the screws threaded shank. This, when placed
on the screw and torqued down, restricted the free movement of the spring just enough to increase
pressure on the leg of the Trapdoor, and make it more secure.
MTM
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S&S Gear, a Civil War suttler has the Henry sling hooks, as well as a nice repop sling with arsenal stamp.
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Well Shucks ???
I must admit I haven't procured a "new" Henry in quite a few years. I had thought about it as I only have four. ALL of my earlier production Henry rifles have the Butt Trap for the cleaning rod. I even have cleaning rods in all the traps. They are very handy traveling with the rifle.
I am however, amazed and confused that Uberti would stop including the Trapp in the butt of the Henry. Realizing full well the trapp does constitute several extra manufacturing steps and dropping the tarp is a cost savings measure. But Damn, that little feature was special to the Henry and should have remained. At various times, Butt Traps were included in other Winchester offerings. I have seen them in original sample examples of '66s and '73s. What a CROCK.
I wish it was still offered as well. Just a neat feature. I have an older Navy Arms Import 1873 carbine with the feature.
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Greetings, TL!
Who is "S & S Gear"? I'm not finding them. Not the same as "S & S Firearms", is it? The latter has Sling Hooks, but
they're steel, not brass / bronze...
M.T.Marfield
1-29-20
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That's them. Years ago, they were S&S Gear, I got one from them a number of years back and it was brass or bronze. Numrich had some originals 20 years ago.....
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Greetings!
I'd LOVE to get bronze hooks. Let's keep our eyes open for them!
M.T.Marfield